1 00:00:08,570 --> 00:00:17,170 [Music] 2 00:00:25,490 --> 00:00:20,660 welcome to shattered reality with their 3 00:00:28,550 --> 00:00:25,500 hosts Kate Valentine and furs prepare to 4 00:00:35,180 --> 00:00:28,560 have your paradigm shifted into truths 5 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:35,190 questions and now shattered reality hey 6 00:00:46,009 --> 00:00:39,210 Kate hey furusho what's up well first of 7 00:00:50,299 --> 00:00:46,019 all today is January 31 31st 2017 8 00:00:54,319 --> 00:00:50,309 yeah and we're here today we have a very 9 00:00:56,090 --> 00:00:54,329 interesting fascinating wonderful guest 10 00:00:59,200 --> 00:00:56,100 to start off with we actually have two 11 00:01:00,680 --> 00:00:59,210 guests but our main guest today is 12 00:01:03,799 --> 00:01:00,690 Ranieri Oh 13 00:01:06,980 --> 00:01:03,809 ray Hernandez who is the co-founder of 14 00:01:09,730 --> 00:01:06,990 the Edgar Mitchell foundation for 15 00:01:15,609 --> 00:01:09,740 research into extraterrestrial 16 00:01:21,219 --> 00:01:15,619 encounters otherwise known as free so 17 00:01:25,730 --> 00:01:21,229 hello ray hello furro sure how are you 18 00:01:34,700 --> 00:01:25,740 well you can call me Kate if I can call 19 00:01:38,709 --> 00:01:34,710 you ray so ray Hernandez has had a very 20 00:01:42,980 --> 00:01:38,719 very interesting group of experiences 21 00:01:45,830 --> 00:01:42,990 with extraterrestrial encounters they 22 00:01:49,370 --> 00:01:45,840 there seemed there's some similarity to 23 00:01:52,010 --> 00:01:49,380 our previous guest Lisette Larkins as 24 00:01:55,130 --> 00:01:52,020 well as some experiences that I've had 25 00:02:00,020 --> 00:01:55,140 but his experiences are really over the 26 00:02:03,099 --> 00:02:00,030 top and really moved him to put together 27 00:02:05,899 --> 00:02:03,109 this foundation for research into 28 00:02:09,790 --> 00:02:05,909 extraterrestrial encounters known as 29 00:02:13,490 --> 00:02:09,800 free so perhaps ray you wouldn't mind 30 00:02:15,020 --> 00:02:13,500 telling us a little bit you could give 31 00:02:16,730 --> 00:02:15,030 us a little bit of your background and 32 00:02:19,010 --> 00:02:16,740 then tell us how you got into this I 33 00:02:20,270 --> 00:02:19,020 attended Rutgers College Cornell 34 00:02:22,670 --> 00:02:20,280 University master's degree 35 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:22,680 and UC Berkeley for a PhD in urban 36 00:02:29,030 --> 00:02:25,170 planning and I'm currently an attorney 37 00:02:31,460 --> 00:02:29,040 and previous to March of 2012 I had zero 38 00:02:34,100 --> 00:02:31,470 interest and zero knowledge in anything 39 00:02:39,610 --> 00:02:34,110 associated with the paranormal and UFOs 40 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:39,620 and March the 4th 2012 my wife and I 41 00:02:46,309 --> 00:02:43,290 encountered an energy being in our 42 00:02:49,580 --> 00:02:46,319 living room we were gonna be euthanizing 43 00:02:53,120 --> 00:02:49,590 our 16 year old Jack Russell terrier 44 00:02:55,460 --> 00:02:53,130 that same day and my wife was praying 45 00:02:58,070 --> 00:02:55,470 all night for some type of miraculous 46 00:03:01,210 --> 00:02:58,080 intervention she was born and raised in 47 00:03:04,670 --> 00:03:01,220 Mexico she was a hardcore Catholic and 48 00:03:05,120 --> 00:03:04,680 lo and behold that morning at 6:30 in 49 00:03:08,809 --> 00:03:05,130 the morning 50 00:03:10,340 --> 00:03:08,819 this energy being appeared my wife 51 00:03:12,650 --> 00:03:10,350 disappeared in front of my eyes together 52 00:03:13,759 --> 00:03:12,660 with the dog this being put me to sleep 53 00:03:16,670 --> 00:03:13,769 for 45 minutes 54 00:03:19,580 --> 00:03:16,680 and then when I awoke my wife reappeared 55 00:03:22,759 --> 00:03:19,590 but now the dog was miraculously cured 56 00:03:24,140 --> 00:03:22,769 miraculously healed and she was like a 57 00:03:27,199 --> 00:03:24,150 little teenager running around the whole 58 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:27,209 living room and so naturally when 59 00:03:34,789 --> 00:03:30,570 something like that happens your mind is 60 00:03:37,520 --> 00:03:34,799 just blown apart by that experience okay 61 00:03:39,319 --> 00:03:37,530 so so here it was you're obviously very 62 00:03:41,900 --> 00:03:39,329 upset you've had this little pooch for 63 00:03:45,259 --> 00:03:41,910 16 years you're sad you're gonna have to 64 00:03:47,330 --> 00:03:45,269 put the dog to sleep and your wife is 65 00:03:50,300 --> 00:03:47,340 upset and she's praying and then you 66 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:50,310 encounter this energy being it's 6:30 in 67 00:03:56,509 --> 00:03:52,890 the morning well what was it like I mean 68 00:04:01,190 --> 00:03:56,519 she went down first with the dog or you 69 00:04:03,259 --> 00:04:01,200 went down first it's quite lengthy but 70 00:04:06,410 --> 00:04:03,269 I'll just try to give you the highlights 71 00:04:10,130 --> 00:04:06,420 okay she first went down she encountered 72 00:04:12,620 --> 00:04:10,140 this metallic object Oh like an upside 73 00:04:15,740 --> 00:04:12,630 down you floating four feet off the 74 00:04:17,449 --> 00:04:15,750 ground she then called me to see it 75 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:17,459 because she thought it was her angel 76 00:04:21,469 --> 00:04:18,690 because you have been praying all night 77 00:04:23,360 --> 00:04:21,479 for angelic intervention okay and then 78 00:04:25,130 --> 00:04:23,370 after a minute when I totally ignored 79 00:04:27,620 --> 00:04:25,140 her she went upstairs she hauled me out 80 00:04:29,779 --> 00:04:27,630 of bed and and I was a little upset 81 00:04:32,899 --> 00:04:29,789 because you know 6:30 in the morning on 82 00:04:33,740 --> 00:04:32,909 a Sunday and then when we got down the 83 00:04:35,540 --> 00:04:33,750 stairs 84 00:04:38,450 --> 00:04:35,550 poof she disappears right in front of me 85 00:04:42,290 --> 00:04:38,460 with the dog and then mind control took 86 00:04:45,530 --> 00:04:42,300 place where I was not in control over my 87 00:04:47,060 --> 00:04:45,540 my actions I had tunnel vision where I 88 00:04:47,750 --> 00:04:47,070 couldn't see anything around my 89 00:04:51,290 --> 00:04:47,760 periphery 90 00:04:54,710 --> 00:04:51,300 I only saw that one tiny area where that 91 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:54,720 energy being and it looked like like a 92 00:04:57,710 --> 00:04:56,130 rectangle 93 00:04:59,690 --> 00:04:57,720 but it didn't have any external edges 94 00:05:03,380 --> 00:04:59,700 because it was pure energy it was 95 00:05:05,330 --> 00:05:03,390 multicolored semi translucent floating 96 00:05:07,190 --> 00:05:05,340 like a mirage in the desert something 97 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:07,200 along those lines question by question 98 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:11,490 here very important to me did you have a 99 00:05:18,170 --> 00:05:14,490 vibrational effect in your head or in 100 00:05:22,820 --> 00:05:18,180 your body a vibration happening well 101 00:05:26,870 --> 00:05:22,830 what I didn't feel what it felt like 102 00:05:28,610 --> 00:05:26,880 It was as if you're just waking up from 103 00:05:31,870 --> 00:05:28,620 a dream that you're not totally 104 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:31,880 conscious you're not talking it was like 105 00:05:37,550 --> 00:05:36,810 in a dream drown out but still 106 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:37,560 fully conscious 107 00:05:40,730 --> 00:05:39,090 you know visualizing and experiencing 108 00:05:42,110 --> 00:05:40,740 anything everything and then I did 109 00:05:43,550 --> 00:05:42,120 something totally illogical which for 110 00:05:45,710 --> 00:05:43,560 six months I could not figure out why I 111 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:45,720 did it I looked at that energy being I 112 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:54,450 then waved my hand at it stares 113 00:05:58,340 --> 00:05:55,890 that I went to bed and I was completely 114 00:06:00,440 --> 00:05:58,350 knocked out and then 45 minutes later 115 00:06:03,380 --> 00:06:00,450 when I woke up now I was fully conscious 116 00:06:05,540 --> 00:06:03,390 I was like holy you know what and I ran 117 00:06:07,700 --> 00:06:05,550 down the stairs and then poof my wife 118 00:06:08,900 --> 00:06:07,710 reappears with the dog she was dancing 119 00:06:10,430 --> 00:06:08,910 in the middle living room the angel 120 00:06:12,050 --> 00:06:10,440 scared her the angels killed Alleluia 121 00:06:14,900 --> 00:06:12,060 the Angels killed like she was in a 122 00:06:16,880 --> 00:06:14,910 Pentecostal church and then the dog was 123 00:06:19,250 --> 00:06:16,890 running around jumping all over the 124 00:06:21,110 --> 00:06:19,260 place like totally cured and and here we 125 00:06:24,260 --> 00:06:21,120 were ready to euthanize her that same 126 00:06:26,020 --> 00:06:24,270 day it was a mind-blowing experience and 127 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:26,030 I was just the first of many many 128 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:27,930 experiences that took place over the 129 00:06:34,159 --> 00:06:30,810 next 18 months now you're an estate tax 130 00:06:36,469 --> 00:06:34,169 lawyer and I do not think that that 131 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:36,479 would be you know something we'd expect 132 00:06:40,520 --> 00:06:38,970 from someone in that profession so 133 00:06:44,719 --> 00:06:40,530 according to you you sort of like a 134 00:06:47,420 --> 00:06:44,729 hard-nosed tax lawyer right up until up 135 00:06:50,820 --> 00:06:47,430 until this happened up until right 136 00:06:52,830 --> 00:06:50,830 atheist material rationalist okay very 137 00:06:57,180 --> 00:06:52,840 scientifically oriented okay 138 00:06:59,400 --> 00:06:57,190 and obviously academic phenomenal 139 00:07:01,230 --> 00:06:59,410 background so you know it's not like you 140 00:07:03,330 --> 00:07:01,240 were some silly person and imagine 141 00:07:10,980 --> 00:07:03,340 things and this thing was in your living 142 00:07:15,900 --> 00:07:13,920 for example this huge gigantic UFO which 143 00:07:17,540 --> 00:07:15,910 I called out I was fooling around 144 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:17,550 because I'd seen a video of a person 145 00:07:22,490 --> 00:07:19,930 calling down a crap yeah careful what 146 00:07:26,460 --> 00:07:24,900 basically it was a giant Stadium 147 00:07:28,410 --> 00:07:26,470 appeared on top of my neighbor's home 148 00:07:29,850 --> 00:07:28,420 okay and then I heard a voice my 149 00:07:32,280 --> 00:07:29,860 daughter's voice saying daddy you and 150 00:07:33,930 --> 00:07:32,290 mommy have seen UFOs next time you see 151 00:07:35,970 --> 00:07:33,940 when you called me daddy alright don't 152 00:07:39,570 --> 00:07:35,980 forget my daughter never said that but 153 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:39,580 that's what I heard hold her down now 154 00:07:42,690 --> 00:07:41,050 you had two people looking at it and 155 00:07:44,070 --> 00:07:42,700 then my friend comes while I was 156 00:07:45,780 --> 00:07:44,080 expecting to give me some papers with 157 00:07:49,860 --> 00:07:45,790 his wife and his 17-year old daughter 158 00:07:51,150 --> 00:07:49,870 and again mind control took place which 159 00:07:54,950 --> 00:07:51,160 we don't have the time to go over those 160 00:07:57,720 --> 00:07:54,960 details but it was a huge gigantic UFO 161 00:07:59,850 --> 00:07:57,730 on top of my neighbor's house and it was 162 00:08:02,040 --> 00:07:59,860 there for 45 minutes and it was less 163 00:08:07,320 --> 00:08:02,050 than 30 feet away from us Wow because 164 00:08:11,490 --> 00:08:07,330 the bottom of that crown right above the 165 00:08:13,170 --> 00:08:11,500 neighbor's house whoa so it's many crazy 166 00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:13,180 experiences like that thank God that 167 00:08:19,050 --> 00:08:15,970 I've had witnesses if not yeah I thought 168 00:08:22,200 --> 00:08:19,060 that I was insane yeah wow that's very 169 00:08:26,750 --> 00:08:22,210 interesting I I must say when when I was 170 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:26,760 had some contact with a purportedly 171 00:08:32,339 --> 00:08:29,530 extraterrestrial being that being showed 172 00:08:35,940 --> 00:08:32,349 me that when they came back to this 173 00:08:37,560 --> 00:08:35,950 earth that they would come in a way that 174 00:08:39,390 --> 00:08:37,570 we would know because it was going to 175 00:08:42,000 --> 00:08:39,400 look like an apartment building with all 176 00:08:43,589 --> 00:08:42,010 the lights on it descending hmm you know 177 00:08:46,710 --> 00:08:43,599 with lights like a big baby that's 178 00:08:51,630 --> 00:08:46,720 exactly what it was it was two different 179 00:08:54,860 --> 00:08:51,640 light patterns first it had thousands 180 00:08:58,440 --> 00:08:54,870 and thousands of long streaks of light 181 00:09:01,020 --> 00:08:58,450 went up a hundred meters and 600 meters 182 00:09:01,140 --> 00:09:01,030 back and it formed the whole shell of 183 00:09:03,290 --> 00:09:01,150 the 184 00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:03,300 crafts and inside I thought this white 185 00:09:08,550 --> 00:09:06,850 plasma moving about and then after my 186 00:09:09,750 --> 00:09:08,560 friend comes both of them started 187 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:09,760 questioning what this thing was and 188 00:09:13,290 --> 00:09:11,410 tried to come up with explanations for 189 00:09:15,420 --> 00:09:13,300 it and then after a minute I just busted 190 00:09:20,250 --> 00:09:15,430 out laughing you know and in my head I 191 00:09:22,830 --> 00:09:20,260 communicate with this man because they 192 00:09:24,780 --> 00:09:22,840 don't believe you and then all of a 193 00:09:27,270 --> 00:09:24,790 sudden the light patterns totally 194 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:27,280 changed and they changed the thousands 195 00:09:33,750 --> 00:09:31,810 and thousands of very large stars it was 196 00:09:35,580 --> 00:09:33,760 like ten times the size of Venus and 197 00:09:38,910 --> 00:09:35,590 they were all blinking on and off like 198 00:09:40,650 --> 00:09:38,920 three times a second and some of them 199 00:09:42,870 --> 00:09:40,660 would be powering up and powering down 200 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:42,880 but it would be doing it in quadrants 201 00:09:47,400 --> 00:09:45,730 you know certain sections at a time then 202 00:09:50,280 --> 00:09:47,410 everybody stopped questioning what it 203 00:09:54,180 --> 00:09:50,290 was well this was in a neighborhood with 204 00:09:58,350 --> 00:09:54,190 other houses - we live in a colder sac 205 00:09:59,940 --> 00:09:58,360 in a suburban area of Miami large larger 206 00:10:01,950 --> 00:09:59,950 Lots like a third of an acre type of 207 00:10:04,770 --> 00:10:01,960 Lots and my next-door neighbor's house 208 00:10:06,810 --> 00:10:04,780 is a ranch-style house and the bottom of 209 00:10:09,270 --> 00:10:06,820 this craft you know was like two or 210 00:10:11,610 --> 00:10:09,280 three feet you know from from the the 211 00:10:14,460 --> 00:10:11,620 roof of this the next door neighbor turn 212 00:10:15,990 --> 00:10:14,470 on the light with his wife you know they 213 00:10:18,750 --> 00:10:16,000 saw the five people looking right above 214 00:10:20,640 --> 00:10:18,760 their roof they didn't come out I didn't 215 00:10:23,310 --> 00:10:20,650 go knock on their door which is weird 216 00:10:25,170 --> 00:10:23,320 a strange yeah everyone had a cell phone 217 00:10:27,300 --> 00:10:25,180 you know take pictures of seven my 218 00:10:28,950 --> 00:10:27,310 daughter no one took a picture including 219 00:10:30,210 --> 00:10:28,960 the teenager the 17 year olds always 220 00:10:32,550 --> 00:10:30,220 have a cell phone on their hands you 221 00:10:35,190 --> 00:10:32,560 know son it was total mind control even 222 00:10:36,630 --> 00:10:35,200 how they got me to leave they after my 223 00:10:38,970 --> 00:10:36,640 friends had left they put in my head 224 00:10:41,790 --> 00:10:38,980 that thousands of mosquitoes were biting 225 00:10:43,560 --> 00:10:41,800 me so after I'm tortured for about a 226 00:10:45,510 --> 00:10:43,570 minute with all these mosquitoes I 227 00:10:47,070 --> 00:10:45,520 grabbed my daughter's hand and I said 228 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:47,080 come on let's go daddy these mosquitoes 229 00:10:51,630 --> 00:10:49,210 are killing me and meanwhile this craft 230 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:51,640 is still there so we go inside the house 231 00:10:58,530 --> 00:10:54,130 and then my wife seems like he had she 232 00:11:01,470 --> 00:10:58,540 had just come out of a coma she was like 233 00:11:04,050 --> 00:11:01,480 in a trance I was telling him what I 234 00:11:08,580 --> 00:11:04,060 just took place and she was like oh how 235 00:11:12,060 --> 00:11:08,590 nice you know something had happened 236 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:12,070 with her as well and then when I told 237 00:11:14,500 --> 00:11:13,330 her that I have we had to go in because 238 00:11:15,910 --> 00:11:14,510 the mosquitoes my 239 00:11:18,400 --> 00:11:15,920 daughter told me daddy they were not 240 00:11:20,110 --> 00:11:18,410 mosquitoes outside and that was when it 241 00:11:22,120 --> 00:11:20,120 was like a hypnotist like the amazing 242 00:11:25,000 --> 00:11:22,130 Kreskin snapped his finger and I woke up 243 00:11:27,580 --> 00:11:25,010 and I was like holy cow you know then I 244 00:11:29,730 --> 00:11:27,590 realize what what I take in place mm-hmm 245 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:29,740 because part of my consciousness was not 246 00:11:36,100 --> 00:11:34,610 fully receiving the information of what 247 00:11:38,980 --> 00:11:36,110 was really going on was being suppressed 248 00:11:40,780 --> 00:11:38,990 and now I was fully an awakened so I ran 249 00:11:43,780 --> 00:11:40,790 I grabbed my camera my video recorder I 250 00:11:46,300 --> 00:11:43,790 ran outside poof completely gone and 251 00:11:48,100 --> 00:11:46,310 that was when I figured out why I acted 252 00:11:49,510 --> 00:11:48,110 that way inside that living room you 253 00:11:51,490 --> 00:11:49,520 know waved my hand at this thing and I 254 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:51,500 said IBS you know this is what she got 255 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:53,090 me down here for for this thing you know 256 00:11:58,210 --> 00:11:55,490 and then I figured it was like oh my god 257 00:12:02,170 --> 00:11:58,220 mind control took place in both events 258 00:12:03,340 --> 00:12:02,180 yes yes and it is it is fairly common 259 00:12:05,980 --> 00:12:03,350 and I know from my own experience 260 00:12:08,470 --> 00:12:05,990 sometimes when you see something with 261 00:12:10,330 --> 00:12:08,480 other people you might immediately say 262 00:12:16,230 --> 00:12:10,340 something about it and then they never 263 00:12:18,220 --> 00:12:16,240 want to talk about it again friends 264 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:18,230 zero-zero my daughter doesn't want to 265 00:12:23,110 --> 00:12:20,090 talk about it my wife doesn't want to 266 00:12:26,770 --> 00:12:23,120 talk about it so you got this was the 267 00:12:29,590 --> 00:12:26,780 beginning of what got you to organize 268 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:29,600 free but you had another experience on 269 00:12:36,010 --> 00:12:33,170 the road on the on the highway at a 270 00:12:38,790 --> 00:12:36,020 signal or something and then you knew 271 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:38,800 that you had a start this organization 272 00:12:43,870 --> 00:12:41,450 yep what it happened was that for the 273 00:12:46,000 --> 00:12:43,880 next six months after this initial 274 00:12:48,910 --> 00:12:46,010 experience in our living room my wife 275 00:12:51,130 --> 00:12:48,920 had numerous experiences up close 276 00:12:54,730 --> 00:12:51,140 sightings of UFOs very similar to like 277 00:12:58,600 --> 00:12:54,740 what I had twice seen by family members 278 00:13:00,430 --> 00:12:58,610 in in Mexico she had these three human 279 00:13:03,370 --> 00:13:00,440 looking beings dressed in white monk's 280 00:13:05,260 --> 00:13:03,380 robe float right in front of her you 281 00:13:07,690 --> 00:13:05,270 know many of these type of experiences 282 00:13:09,910 --> 00:13:07,700 and and meanwhile had nothing for six 283 00:13:11,230 --> 00:13:09,920 months then I had that experience with 284 00:13:14,410 --> 00:13:11,240 my daughter and my three friends and 285 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:14,420 then I won't go into it but we don't 286 00:13:20,380 --> 00:13:16,970 have time there was like a near-death 287 00:13:23,350 --> 00:13:20,390 experience scenario which is crazy in 288 00:13:25,690 --> 00:13:23,360 and of itself and meanwhile lots of 289 00:13:26,700 --> 00:13:25,700 paranormal experiences but my wife and I 290 00:13:29,940 --> 00:13:26,710 had 291 00:13:32,310 --> 00:13:29,950 and then in May of 2013 I was driving to 292 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:32,320 go to downtown Miami in the middle of a 293 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:33,850 traffic jam sort of like the Long Island 294 00:13:39,540 --> 00:13:36,370 Expressway for the me for the the New 295 00:13:44,150 --> 00:13:39,550 Yorkers and all of a sudden I was not in 296 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:44,160 my car anymore I was out of body in a 297 00:13:50,730 --> 00:13:47,890 reality that had no externalities to it 298 00:13:53,370 --> 00:13:50,740 I was just mind okay and all of a sudden 299 00:13:56,850 --> 00:13:53,380 a circle appeared I was floating inside 300 00:13:59,850 --> 00:13:56,860 the circle then spokes appeared in the 301 00:14:02,220 --> 00:13:59,860 Soaker and inside the the different 302 00:14:05,010 --> 00:14:02,230 spokes of the circle were what I now 303 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:05,020 call contact modalities different ways 304 00:14:08,370 --> 00:14:06,850 that humans are piercing the wheel and 305 00:14:10,710 --> 00:14:08,380 having contact with non-human 306 00:14:13,020 --> 00:14:10,720 intelligence for example ufo-related 307 00:14:15,630 --> 00:14:13,030 contact near-death experiences 308 00:14:19,490 --> 00:14:15,640 out-of-body experiences shamanic 309 00:14:22,350 --> 00:14:19,500 journeys remote viewing channeling 310 00:14:24,260 --> 00:14:22,360 mystical meditation etc etcetera 311 00:14:26,940 --> 00:14:24,270 etcetera all the different ways that 312 00:14:29,370 --> 00:14:26,950 humans are having contact with non-human 313 00:14:31,530 --> 00:14:29,380 intelligence and they were inside a 314 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:31,540 separate category in separate area 315 00:14:36,180 --> 00:14:34,570 within this wheel and then information 316 00:14:39,210 --> 00:14:36,190 came it wasn't a voice was just 317 00:14:41,810 --> 00:14:39,220 information that humans are studying all 318 00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:41,820 these different ways that they're having 319 00:14:48,360 --> 00:14:44,050 contact with a nonhuman intelligence as 320 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:48,370 separate and distinct boxes okay but in 321 00:14:53,370 --> 00:14:50,650 reality it's all one phenomenon it's a 322 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:53,380 spectrum I would join right correct it's 323 00:14:58,820 --> 00:14:55,570 all one phenomenon except different 324 00:15:01,680 --> 00:14:58,830 components of it and then I was 325 00:15:03,930 --> 00:15:01,690 information came in that the glue that's 326 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:03,940 holding everything together is some type 327 00:15:10,100 --> 00:15:06,250 of advanced quantum physics that humans 328 00:15:13,020 --> 00:15:10,110 are starting to call consciousness right 329 00:15:15,750 --> 00:15:13,030 so that's the glue that holds all the 330 00:15:17,910 --> 00:15:15,760 contact modalities together and then I 331 00:15:19,890 --> 00:15:17,920 was given instructions you need to 332 00:15:23,690 --> 00:15:19,900 inform humanity of the relationship 333 00:15:25,220 --> 00:15:23,700 between us the spirit world and 334 00:15:28,350 --> 00:15:25,230 consciousness 335 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:28,360 okay the relationship between us the 336 00:15:34,920 --> 00:15:30,730 spirit world and consciousness you will 337 00:15:37,320 --> 00:15:34,930 need assistance two criterias this is 338 00:15:40,090 --> 00:15:37,330 not about making money and this is not 339 00:15:42,519 --> 00:15:40,100 about ego right in other words telling 340 00:15:44,860 --> 00:15:42,529 that the people that I'm bringing in or 341 00:15:47,590 --> 00:15:44,870 that I need to help me have to be people 342 00:15:49,240 --> 00:15:47,600 with minimal ego and whatever we do this 343 00:15:51,220 --> 00:15:49,250 is not about you know personal wealth 344 00:15:52,090 --> 00:15:51,230 that sort of thing and then poof I was 345 00:15:55,300 --> 00:15:52,100 back in my car 346 00:15:58,360 --> 00:15:55,310 Wow that same afternoon when I got home 347 00:16:00,400 --> 00:15:58,370 I got an email from Mary Rodwell Wow I 348 00:16:03,069 --> 00:16:00,410 had sent her an email six months before 349 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:03,079 I had sent an email to like 410 very 350 00:16:12,100 --> 00:16:07,370 famous people Stan Freedman Kathleen 351 00:16:14,590 --> 00:16:12,110 Mardon it was who else at a Whitley 352 00:16:16,329 --> 00:16:14,600 Strieber grant Cameron you know all 353 00:16:18,430 --> 00:16:16,339 these cuz I wanted someone to talk to 354 00:16:20,379 --> 00:16:18,440 yes absolutely I had no one to talk to 355 00:16:22,870 --> 00:16:20,389 and so I sent this email out with my 356 00:16:25,090 --> 00:16:22,880 story hoping to talk with someone so 357 00:16:27,910 --> 00:16:25,100 Mary's email that same day said dear Rae 358 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:27,920 I'm sorry I'm responding to your email 359 00:16:31,449 --> 00:16:29,930 that you had said six months ago but it 360 00:16:35,650 --> 00:16:31,459 just popped up on my screen today 361 00:16:37,180 --> 00:16:35,660 oh so interview Mary and she and asked 362 00:16:39,220 --> 00:16:37,190 her that question she'll verify it well 363 00:16:40,930 --> 00:16:39,230 we did speak to Mary once on the show 364 00:16:42,699 --> 00:16:40,940 we'd certainly love to have her back on 365 00:16:44,259 --> 00:16:42,709 sometime in the future well certainly 366 00:16:47,290 --> 00:16:44,269 she's one of our co-founders well that 367 00:16:49,090 --> 00:16:47,300 can be arranged no problem and so we 368 00:16:51,819 --> 00:16:49,100 spoke then on skype for like for two 369 00:16:53,290 --> 00:16:51,829 hours and and I asked her I said Mary do 370 00:16:55,449 --> 00:16:53,300 you go back like six months to check 371 00:16:57,129 --> 00:16:55,459 your emails and she started laughing she 372 00:16:58,960 --> 00:16:57,139 says ray I can barely keep up with one 373 00:17:02,679 --> 00:16:58,970 day's emails I get hundreds of emails 374 00:17:03,970 --> 00:17:02,689 and I'm just overwhelmed I'm swamped and 375 00:17:06,250 --> 00:17:03,980 I said well how do you explain what 376 00:17:08,559 --> 00:17:06,260 happened she says ray by now you don't 377 00:17:10,360 --> 00:17:08,569 know what happened you know that they 378 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:10,370 wait they waited until this experience 379 00:17:17,169 --> 00:17:13,970 and then this this this dislodge that 380 00:17:18,539 --> 00:17:17,179 email that was held in cyberspace at a 381 00:17:22,360 --> 00:17:18,549 Senate tour today 382 00:17:24,010 --> 00:17:22,370 now the very next day after this 383 00:17:26,189 --> 00:17:24,020 experience and my conversation with Mary 384 00:17:29,140 --> 00:17:26,199 I get a phone call 9:30 in the morning 385 00:17:31,750 --> 00:17:29,150 hello who's this oh is this fragran and 386 00:17:34,870 --> 00:17:31,760 as yes who's this oh this dr. Rudy 387 00:17:36,760 --> 00:17:34,880 Shields oh who oh I apologize I thought 388 00:17:38,950 --> 00:17:36,770 that Mary had sent you an email from you 389 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:38,960 that I'd be contacting me I said no you 390 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:41,210 know who are you says oh you know I'm an 391 00:17:45,730 --> 00:17:42,890 emeritus professor of astrophysics at 392 00:17:48,010 --> 00:17:45,740 Harvard I'm a very close friend of Mary 393 00:17:53,049 --> 00:17:48,020 I was also very close colleague of DA of 394 00:17:53,890 --> 00:17:53,059 dr. John Mack and so we then we then 395 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:53,900 spoke for like four 396 00:17:58,000 --> 00:17:56,450 minutes and he told me that that 397 00:18:02,410 --> 00:17:58,010 download that I had gotten that 398 00:18:04,390 --> 00:18:02,420 experience is 100% correct and that a 399 00:18:06,100 --> 00:18:04,400 theory that he and dr. Edgar Mitchell 400 00:18:09,280 --> 00:18:06,110 had been working on over the last 20 401 00:18:11,290 --> 00:18:09,290 years which is a physics theory called 402 00:18:14,110 --> 00:18:11,300 the quantum hologram theory of physics 403 00:18:17,380 --> 00:18:14,120 and consciousness explains how all of 404 00:18:20,220 --> 00:18:17,390 these contact experiences are 405 00:18:22,750 --> 00:18:20,230 interrelated mm-hmm in that yes 406 00:18:24,040 --> 00:18:22,760 consciousness which is the theory that 407 00:18:26,110 --> 00:18:24,050 they're working on which is a theory of 408 00:18:28,690 --> 00:18:26,120 consciousness is the glue that holds it 409 00:18:30,880 --> 00:18:28,700 all together yes and and then he started 410 00:18:33,130 --> 00:18:30,890 explaining to me you know the advanced 411 00:18:35,050 --> 00:18:33,140 physics associated with it and that's 412 00:18:38,550 --> 00:18:35,060 where he lost me a bit okay well 413 00:18:42,100 --> 00:18:38,560 everybody way back to Max Planck the 414 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:42,110 German physicist who formulated lots of 415 00:18:46,750 --> 00:18:45,250 the parts of the quantum theory of 416 00:18:51,400 --> 00:18:46,760 physics 417 00:18:53,980 --> 00:18:51,410 he says consciousness is elementary 418 00:18:57,220 --> 00:18:53,990 consciousness is basic you can't get 419 00:19:01,690 --> 00:18:57,230 behind it that everything depends upon 420 00:19:05,470 --> 00:19:01,700 consciousness consciousness is way ahead 421 00:19:07,450 --> 00:19:05,480 of the physical world correct correct 422 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:07,460 so you know Rudi was was getting into 423 00:19:12,100 --> 00:19:09,530 some of the physics of that and then 424 00:19:13,630 --> 00:19:12,110 Rudi told me he says ray what what 425 00:19:15,940 --> 00:19:13,640 you're telling me is so very important 426 00:19:20,620 --> 00:19:15,950 because I've never heard anyone to be 427 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:20,630 able to articulate in visually edgers 428 00:19:26,380 --> 00:19:24,770 and his theory of the quantum hologram 429 00:19:28,690 --> 00:19:26,390 theory of physics in consciousness right 430 00:19:30,930 --> 00:19:28,700 and he says it's important for you to 431 00:19:33,610 --> 00:19:30,940 follow up what these entities told you 432 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:33,620 and I told them I have no idea you know 433 00:19:37,630 --> 00:19:35,450 he says well write down this telephone 434 00:19:38,710 --> 00:19:37,640 number and I wrote it down and he says 435 00:19:40,390 --> 00:19:38,720 this is the telephone number of my 436 00:19:42,490 --> 00:19:40,400 mentor so I asked him who was your 437 00:19:48,160 --> 00:19:42,500 mentor then he goes dr. Edgar Mitchell 438 00:19:50,380 --> 00:19:48,170 and I was like oh my god and so we 439 00:19:53,260 --> 00:19:50,390 agreed to continue our discussions at a 440 00:19:55,120 --> 00:19:53,270 later date and he encouraged me to call 441 00:19:57,100 --> 00:19:55,130 egg because he said he was gonna call it 442 00:20:00,190 --> 00:19:57,110 or and email him and to let him know 443 00:20:01,600 --> 00:20:00,200 about what happened to me so four hours 444 00:20:04,180 --> 00:20:01,610 later I managed to work up the courage 445 00:20:06,670 --> 00:20:04,190 to call dr. Mitchell and then he told me 446 00:20:08,020 --> 00:20:06,680 that Rudy had already spoken with him 447 00:20:10,750 --> 00:20:08,030 that exchange email 448 00:20:12,250 --> 00:20:10,760 and he was absolutely fascinated what 449 00:20:14,170 --> 00:20:12,260 had happened to me and he says ray what 450 00:20:15,820 --> 00:20:14,180 are you doing tomorrow I said well I 451 00:20:18,310 --> 00:20:15,830 don't have any plans he says would you 452 00:20:20,290 --> 00:20:18,320 like to come by my house and Edgar only 453 00:20:22,150 --> 00:20:20,300 left 45 minutes away so he said how 454 00:20:24,730 --> 00:20:22,160 about 10 o'clock tomorrow I said fine 455 00:20:25,900 --> 00:20:24,740 fantastic so the next day I was at 456 00:20:27,490 --> 00:20:25,910 Edgar's house at 10 o'clock in the 457 00:20:30,930 --> 00:20:27,500 morning and I was there for most of the 458 00:20:34,030 --> 00:20:30,940 day and an Edgar basically was just 459 00:20:35,470 --> 00:20:34,040 telling me everything about what the 460 00:20:37,270 --> 00:20:35,480 paranormal experiences that the 461 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:37,280 astronauts were having in space the 462 00:20:46,060 --> 00:20:40,490 cosmonauts how he got involved with 463 00:20:47,980 --> 00:20:46,070 Apollo him growing up in Roswell he told 464 00:20:51,460 --> 00:20:47,990 him all about the Roswell crash you know 465 00:20:54,220 --> 00:20:51,470 I mean I won't go into the details but 466 00:20:56,230 --> 00:20:54,230 he he just was spilling his guts about 467 00:20:58,660 --> 00:20:56,240 all these very intimate experiences and 468 00:21:01,510 --> 00:20:58,670 at the end of it all like six hours 469 00:21:05,590 --> 00:21:01,520 later he says ray you need to implement 470 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:05,600 oh no he said ray these he calls him ETS 471 00:21:11,410 --> 00:21:08,450 he says ray these ETS gave you a mandate 472 00:21:13,510 --> 00:21:11,420 you need to implement what they told you 473 00:21:15,010 --> 00:21:13,520 and I said but Edgar I have no idea what 474 00:21:16,810 --> 00:21:15,020 I'm gonna be doing he says don't worry 475 00:21:18,910 --> 00:21:16,820 it'll come to you okay 476 00:21:22,150 --> 00:21:18,920 and he says Rudy and I already discussed 477 00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:22,160 it and we recommend for us to be your 478 00:21:26,440 --> 00:21:24,770 scientific advisors for whatever project 479 00:21:28,570 --> 00:21:26,450 you want to take in the future to 480 00:21:32,500 --> 00:21:28,580 implement you know what they told you 481 00:21:34,750 --> 00:21:32,510 and he says I'll keep us in mind you 482 00:21:36,850 --> 00:21:34,760 know you'll figure it out soon and so 483 00:21:39,010 --> 00:21:36,860 later on when I got home I called I 484 00:21:41,410 --> 00:21:39,020 emailed Mary and we had a Skype call and 485 00:21:43,570 --> 00:21:41,420 I said Mary you won't believe what just 486 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:43,580 happened you know after I hung up with 487 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:45,050 you the next day Rudy calls me at 9:30 488 00:21:48,490 --> 00:21:47,330 in the morning in the afternoon I was 489 00:21:50,290 --> 00:21:48,500 talking with Edgar Mitchell who then 490 00:21:52,360 --> 00:21:50,300 invited me to his house and I've just 491 00:21:55,330 --> 00:21:52,370 come back from dr. Mitchell's house and 492 00:21:57,370 --> 00:21:55,340 I said would you like to join us so the 493 00:22:00,040 --> 00:21:57,380 four of us become the cofounders of this 494 00:22:02,230 --> 00:22:00,050 organization that's not an organism it's 495 00:22:03,250 --> 00:22:02,240 just absolutely crazy an organization we 496 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:03,260 didn't have a name we didn't have a 497 00:22:09,310 --> 00:22:07,610 mission okay but she agreed and then two 498 00:22:12,840 --> 00:22:09,320 weeks later she came up with a name she 499 00:22:14,950 --> 00:22:12,850 says ray I was given this information 500 00:22:19,240 --> 00:22:14,960 Mary is a very special lady 501 00:22:21,310 --> 00:22:19,250 as some of you might know and she was 502 00:22:23,409 --> 00:22:21,320 given that name free.the far 503 00:22:25,779 --> 00:22:23,419 nation for research into 504 00:22:27,519 --> 00:22:25,789 extraterrestrial encounters and then our 505 00:22:29,860 --> 00:22:27,529 approximately six months before edgar 506 00:22:32,169 --> 00:22:29,870 died he gave us a permission in a 507 00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,179 videotape to name the organization on 508 00:22:36,909 --> 00:22:34,880 his legacy so now it's known as the dr. 509 00:22:40,120 --> 00:22:36,919 edgar mitchell foundation for research 510 00:22:42,249 --> 00:22:40,130 into extraterrestrial encounters and for 511 00:22:46,629 --> 00:22:42,259 the individuals out there our website is 512 00:22:48,430 --> 00:22:46,639 experiencer dot org thank you for is it 513 00:22:56,710 --> 00:22:48,440 for saying that because we were going to 514 00:22:58,659 --> 00:22:56,720 ask you to give your your address and I 515 00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:58,669 want you to know that we have the the 516 00:23:03,999 --> 00:23:01,039 highest the very very highest regards 517 00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:04,009 for the late dr. Edgar Mitchell who was 518 00:23:08,950 --> 00:23:08,090 a real genuine American hero par 519 00:23:11,860 --> 00:23:08,960 excellence 520 00:23:14,680 --> 00:23:11,870 I had the thrill of one of the biggest 521 00:23:18,580 --> 00:23:14,690 thrills in my life is I went to an ion 522 00:23:21,159 --> 00:23:18,590 luncheon a brunch in New York City and I 523 00:23:23,799 --> 00:23:21,169 sat there with dr. Edgar Mitchell and 524 00:23:27,369 --> 00:23:23,809 about 15 other people and had brunch and 525 00:23:32,649 --> 00:23:27,379 later I heard him address the high 526 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:32,659 school of Aeronautics and Aviation which 527 00:23:38,529 --> 00:23:35,090 is in Flushing they brought the entire 528 00:23:41,159 --> 00:23:38,539 senior class into the Manhattan to hear 529 00:23:44,409 --> 00:23:41,169 him speak and it was one of the greatest 530 00:23:48,580 --> 00:23:44,419 experiences of my life to actually talk 531 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:48,590 one-to-one dr. Edgar Mitchell so he was 532 00:23:54,129 --> 00:23:52,129 a genius a genius among geniuses what a 533 00:23:55,899 --> 00:23:54,139 lot of people the associate dr. Mitchell 534 00:23:59,019 --> 00:23:55,909 is just being the Apollo 14 astronaut 535 00:24:02,369 --> 00:23:59,029 but as you pointed out dr. Mitchell was 536 00:24:07,810 --> 00:24:02,379 actually the founder of ions that's in 537 00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:07,820 1973 because he had his his own somatic 538 00:24:13,869 --> 00:24:10,480 experience in in outer space and 539 00:24:18,039 --> 00:24:13,879 involved issues of ESP and a download 540 00:24:21,580 --> 00:24:18,049 and so he created ions to continue the 541 00:24:23,289 --> 00:24:21,590 work of ESP research and and research on 542 00:24:25,269 --> 00:24:23,299 consciousness again from a scientific 543 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:25,279 perspective and then they branched out 544 00:24:31,419 --> 00:24:28,129 into healing modalities because Edgar 545 00:24:34,450 --> 00:24:31,429 was healed of of two types of cancers by 546 00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:34,460 an energy healer Wow and and also oh 547 00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:35,090 Allah 548 00:24:37,990 --> 00:24:36,410 the other part that a lot of people 549 00:24:39,820 --> 00:24:38,000 don't know about Edgar was that Edgar 550 00:24:41,950 --> 00:24:39,830 had been working with many many 551 00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:41,960 physicists he established a group called 552 00:24:46,750 --> 00:24:44,330 contract and they were researching the 553 00:24:48,970 --> 00:24:46,760 physics of zero-point energy and the 554 00:24:50,350 --> 00:24:48,980 physics of consciousness mm-hmm the 555 00:24:52,150 --> 00:24:50,360 quantum hall and then from there he 556 00:24:54,940 --> 00:24:52,160 developed a quantum hologram theory of 557 00:24:56,740 --> 00:24:54,950 physics and consciousness and he 558 00:24:58,600 --> 00:24:56,750 published numerous articles on those 559 00:25:01,390 --> 00:24:58,610 topics and that's a side that very few 560 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:01,400 people actually know about Edgar and and 561 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:03,050 that's where he was you know mentoring 562 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:05,210 and tutoring me together with with dr. 563 00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:08,090 Rudy Shields so let me then jump in a 564 00:25:12,100 --> 00:25:09,770 little bit in terms of free in terms of 565 00:25:15,130 --> 00:25:12,110 oh yes Edgar told me right you'll figure 566 00:25:18,750 --> 00:25:15,140 it out well what had happened was that 567 00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:18,760 after I had my experiences myself being 568 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:20,960 an academic having an academic 569 00:25:26,140 --> 00:25:24,170 background I first thing I did was I 570 00:25:29,020 --> 00:25:26,150 turned to the Internet and I quickly 571 00:25:32,140 --> 00:25:29,030 found out that you know 99.9% of what's 572 00:25:33,730 --> 00:25:32,150 on the Internet is pure rubbish you had 573 00:25:36,790 --> 00:25:33,740 a thousand experts they were all 574 00:25:39,190 --> 00:25:36,800 contradicting each other but most 575 00:25:43,420 --> 00:25:39,200 importantly what I discovered was that 576 00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:43,430 there was zero academic research studies 577 00:25:50,170 --> 00:25:47,410 on experiences of UFO related contact 578 00:25:53,080 --> 00:25:50,180 there were various books that were had 579 00:25:55,750 --> 00:25:53,090 been written by dr. John mag but these 580 00:25:58,300 --> 00:25:55,760 were not you know serious academic 581 00:26:01,690 --> 00:25:58,310 studies these were just a the 582 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:01,700 compilation of a small group of people 583 00:26:06,010 --> 00:26:03,770 that he had hypnotically regressed and 584 00:26:08,490 --> 00:26:06,020 he did sort of like a survey overview of 585 00:26:10,780 --> 00:26:08,500 what these individuals were telling him 586 00:26:13,420 --> 00:26:10,790 so that certainly is not you know 587 00:26:15,580 --> 00:26:13,430 academic research and it certainly is 588 00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:15,590 not a quantitative study of this 589 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:19,610 phenomenon and so so I immediately wrote 590 00:26:27,670 --> 00:26:23,530 up a proposal that we needed a 591 00:26:29,650 --> 00:26:27,680 comprehensive academic research study in 592 00:26:32,980 --> 00:26:29,660 multiple languages of individuals that 593 00:26:37,360 --> 00:26:32,990 have had ufo-related contact and we 594 00:26:41,260 --> 00:26:37,370 quickly acquired various prestigious 595 00:26:44,380 --> 00:26:41,270 academics to to join us in free and we 596 00:26:47,110 --> 00:26:44,390 now have basically three three co-chairs 597 00:26:48,910 --> 00:26:47,120 for this this study which we're tired 598 00:26:51,340 --> 00:26:48,920 we've titled it the free 599 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:51,350 experience her research study which I 600 00:26:55,210 --> 00:26:52,970 said before is the world's first 601 00:26:56,980 --> 00:26:55,220 comprehensive academic research study on 602 00:27:00,100 --> 00:26:56,990 individuals that have had ufo-related 603 00:27:04,180 --> 00:27:00,110 contact the two co-chairs besides myself 604 00:27:07,540 --> 00:27:04,190 are dr. John clemo who's recently 605 00:27:10,870 --> 00:27:07,550 retired after 40 years teaching 606 00:27:12,940 --> 00:27:10,880 psychology in in various universities 607 00:27:14,590 --> 00:27:12,950 and he's known as one of the world's 608 00:27:16,270 --> 00:27:14,600 leading academic experts on the 609 00:27:19,210 --> 00:27:16,280 paranormal yes he's written some books 610 00:27:21,220 --> 00:27:19,220 on that yes yes his most famous book is 611 00:27:24,850 --> 00:27:21,230 a book on channeling which has been 612 00:27:26,430 --> 00:27:24,860 translated to 18 languages and he really 613 00:27:30,190 --> 00:27:26,440 is the world's leading expert on 614 00:27:32,350 --> 00:27:30,200 telepathic communications and the other 615 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:32,360 academic was the co-chair is dr. Bob 616 00:27:37,810 --> 00:27:35,210 Davis and he's also retired professor 617 00:27:39,100 --> 00:27:37,820 retired professor of neuroscience and he 618 00:27:43,030 --> 00:27:39,110 taught at the State University of New 619 00:27:44,650 --> 00:27:43,040 York and so you know how how did a 620 00:27:45,220 --> 00:27:44,660 neuroscientist get involved with what 621 00:27:49,050 --> 00:27:45,230 we're doing 622 00:27:51,220 --> 00:27:49,060 consciousness that's a hell right well 623 00:27:53,260 --> 00:27:51,230 what happened was about five years ago 624 00:27:55,870 --> 00:27:53,270 he and his wife were in Sedona they were 625 00:27:59,140 --> 00:27:55,880 on vacation and Sedona is a wonderful 626 00:28:01,690 --> 00:27:59,150 place we suppose that's exactly what 627 00:28:04,300 --> 00:28:01,700 they saw he and his wife saw two UFOs 628 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:04,310 one actually came from inside another 629 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:07,210 one and we were doing these various 630 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:10,730 configurations out in the sky at close 631 00:28:15,340 --> 00:28:13,610 range and that obviously freaked the 632 00:28:17,770 --> 00:28:15,350 hell out of them but that was like his 633 00:28:20,350 --> 00:28:17,780 wake-up call and it was about six months 634 00:28:22,540 --> 00:28:20,360 after that experience I got a hold of 635 00:28:24,490 --> 00:28:22,550 him and I told him I said Bob you know 636 00:28:26,710 --> 00:28:24,500 this is not just lights in the sky you 637 00:28:29,170 --> 00:28:26,720 know there's not just MUFON related type 638 00:28:31,870 --> 00:28:29,180 of things you know this is way way much 639 00:28:34,690 --> 00:28:31,880 more complex than than lights the nuts 640 00:28:37,210 --> 00:28:34,700 and bolts type of approach so we brought 641 00:28:38,830 --> 00:28:37,220 him in and Mary and I and and Rudy and 642 00:28:41,200 --> 00:28:38,840 some of the other John clima some of the 643 00:28:42,910 --> 00:28:41,210 other colleagues began to mentor him 644 00:28:46,230 --> 00:28:42,920 it's just how deep this phenomenon is 645 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:46,240 and and now he's all into consciousness 646 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:50,570 all into you know all aspects of of this 647 00:28:54,940 --> 00:28:53,330 phenomena and we also have other 648 00:28:57,550 --> 00:28:54,950 academics in our group we have dr. 649 00:28:59,500 --> 00:28:57,560 Claude Swanson who's a PhD physicist 650 00:29:01,330 --> 00:28:59,510 from Princeton University who has been 651 00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:01,340 on our show by the way just for our 652 00:29:04,570 --> 00:29:02,450 listeners if 653 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:04,580 you want to look back we've had a number 654 00:29:13,150 --> 00:29:07,370 of the free people on including dr. 655 00:29:16,050 --> 00:29:13,160 Claude Swanson and including no we 656 00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:16,060 didn't have dr. Mary Mary Rodwell and 657 00:29:22,810 --> 00:29:20,690 also Kathleen Mardon three of them have 658 00:29:25,060 --> 00:29:22,820 all been on already so people who are 659 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:25,070 listening to this I just want to make a 660 00:29:31,360 --> 00:29:28,130 quick note that it's a good idea to go 661 00:29:34,780 --> 00:29:31,370 back to some of these podcasts Andry 662 00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:34,790 listen to them in light of what you're 663 00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:38,870 saying right now ray correct correct 664 00:29:43,270 --> 00:29:42,170 besides a Claude who wrote a book maybe 665 00:29:45,610 --> 00:29:43,280 12 years ago titled 666 00:29:47,290 --> 00:29:45,620 the synchronized universe right which is 667 00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:47,300 the science for the paranormal 668 00:29:51,970 --> 00:29:50,000 so again it's a pc physicist from 669 00:29:54,370 --> 00:29:51,980 Princeton University explaining the 670 00:29:57,100 --> 00:29:54,380 physics behind the paranormal we also 671 00:30:01,180 --> 00:29:57,110 have within free dr. Dean Radin who's 672 00:30:05,470 --> 00:30:01,190 the lead scientist for for ions yes dr. 673 00:30:08,650 --> 00:30:05,480 Leo sprinkle who 86 years old now is a 674 00:30:10,780 --> 00:30:08,660 retired professor of psychology and Leo 675 00:30:13,500 --> 00:30:10,790 was actually the first academic to 676 00:30:15,910 --> 00:30:13,510 publish peer-reviewed articles on 677 00:30:18,310 --> 00:30:15,920 contact experiences 678 00:30:20,590 --> 00:30:18,320 he began actually doing this research in 679 00:30:23,260 --> 00:30:20,600 1962 Wow 680 00:30:25,780 --> 00:30:23,270 and then we have many people that do not 681 00:30:29,350 --> 00:30:25,790 have PhDs but just as well as informed 682 00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:29,360 and educated on this phenomenon mary 683 00:30:36,310 --> 00:30:33,050 Rodwell who has researched over 3,000 684 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:36,320 contact cases he's an honorary yes she 685 00:30:40,420 --> 00:30:38,210 says she's a registered nurse correct 686 00:30:42,970 --> 00:30:40,430 that nurse midwife correct and she just 687 00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:42,980 has a new book that's out now titled 688 00:30:49,630 --> 00:30:46,130 awakening the new humans which is just 689 00:30:51,460 --> 00:30:49,640 an unbelievable book mary is like number 690 00:30:52,750 --> 00:30:51,470 one in terms of the person that gets it 691 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:52,760 in terms of what's happening to 692 00:30:55,990 --> 00:30:54,650 experiencers yeah number one you know 693 00:30:58,270 --> 00:30:56,000 what comes close to her you're gonna 694 00:31:01,750 --> 00:30:58,280 have to interview again about her new 695 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:01,760 book absolutely and then we've got as 696 00:31:07,900 --> 00:31:05,690 you said Kathleen Martin who who started 697 00:31:11,020 --> 00:31:07,910 off as nuts and bolts abduction 698 00:31:13,140 --> 00:31:11,030 researcher she wrote the book on Benny 699 00:31:15,450 --> 00:31:13,150 and Barney Hill yes and 700 00:31:17,910 --> 00:31:15,460 she actually headed up muffins alien 701 00:31:20,490 --> 00:31:17,920 abduction research team but then three 702 00:31:24,570 --> 00:31:20,500 years ago she changed it to experience 703 00:31:26,100 --> 00:31:24,580 her research why because the reality of 704 00:31:29,340 --> 00:31:26,110 what actually is taking place in this 705 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:29,350 field is not just abduction it's it's 706 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:30,970 much much more complicated than just 707 00:31:34,620 --> 00:31:33,130 abduction so what we discovered in our 708 00:31:37,260 --> 00:31:34,630 research studies that abductions are 709 00:31:39,840 --> 00:31:37,270 only thirty two percent of the cases of 710 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:39,850 people that have seen UFOs and have had 711 00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:41,650 contact with non-human intelligence and 712 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:44,590 even then the type of abduction cases 713 00:31:49,860 --> 00:31:47,290 the vast majority of them do not fall in 714 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:49,870 line with the stereotypical abduction 715 00:31:55,370 --> 00:31:51,490 scenario that you see circulating on the 716 00:31:59,400 --> 00:31:55,380 internet you'll see many people that 717 00:32:01,830 --> 00:31:59,410 actually participated in going to the 718 00:32:03,750 --> 00:32:01,840 craft people that were actually roamed 719 00:32:07,260 --> 00:32:03,760 around the craft freely some of the 720 00:32:09,270 --> 00:32:07,270 people have actually driven the craft on 721 00:32:12,270 --> 00:32:09,280 and on I go into those details later on 722 00:32:16,130 --> 00:32:12,280 in the next segment but rosemary ellen 723 00:32:21,299 --> 00:32:16,140 guiley yes two books on the paranormal 724 00:32:24,030 --> 00:32:21,309 we have Georgia Piacenza from Latin 725 00:32:26,549 --> 00:32:24,040 America from Peru he was originally 726 00:32:29,610 --> 00:32:26,559 affiliated with group Rama since the 727 00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:29,620 late 70s and he's a scholar and an 728 00:32:35,460 --> 00:32:32,170 academic and a philosopher so it's it's 729 00:32:38,580 --> 00:32:35,470 a quite a diverse group of both PhD 730 00:32:40,980 --> 00:32:38,590 scientists and people that have been 731 00:32:43,919 --> 00:32:40,990 down in the grassroots working with 732 00:32:45,780 --> 00:32:43,929 experiencers and so that's pretty much 733 00:32:48,810 --> 00:32:45,790 what free is doing and what we're doing 734 00:32:49,590 --> 00:32:48,820 is we're actually researching what is 735 00:32:51,780 --> 00:32:49,600 consciousness 736 00:32:54,120 --> 00:32:51,790 we are not a you apology organization we 737 00:32:57,660 --> 00:32:54,130 don't care about you know pictures 738 00:32:59,490 --> 00:32:57,670 videos movies lights in the sky we have 739 00:33:01,650 --> 00:32:59,500 zero interest in that what we're trying 740 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:01,660 to do is we're trying to understand what 741 00:33:07,220 --> 00:33:04,170 is the true nature of our reality by 742 00:33:11,010 --> 00:33:07,230 investigating individuals that have had 743 00:33:13,830 --> 00:33:11,020 contact via the different contact 744 00:33:15,900 --> 00:33:13,840 modalities that I explained earlier the 745 00:33:17,820 --> 00:33:15,910 the research study now that we're doing 746 00:33:20,130 --> 00:33:17,830 with you a four related contact is just 747 00:33:22,560 --> 00:33:20,140 the first component of a long term 748 00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:22,570 agenda that we have later on we want to 749 00:33:26,430 --> 00:33:24,250 be able to compare people that have had 750 00:33:27,060 --> 00:33:26,440 ufo-related contact with people that 751 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:27,070 have had 752 00:33:31,290 --> 00:33:29,890 out-of-body experiences also with people 753 00:33:33,060 --> 00:33:31,300 that have had near-death experiences 754 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:33,070 with people that have had shamanic 755 00:33:38,010 --> 00:33:35,290 journeys we want to be able to see what 756 00:33:40,830 --> 00:33:38,020 are the commonalities among all these 757 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:40,840 different contact experiences in terms 758 00:33:45,390 --> 00:33:42,250 of near-death experiences we have 759 00:33:47,970 --> 00:33:45,400 identified over 40 unique commonalities 760 00:33:50,790 --> 00:33:47,980 between both groups of experiences and I 761 00:33:53,610 --> 00:33:50,800 suspect that some people have had more 762 00:33:56,010 --> 00:33:53,620 than one kind of these experience yes 763 00:33:57,210 --> 00:33:56,020 yes that's what now we can get into a 764 00:34:01,170 --> 00:33:57,220 little bit in terms of some of the data 765 00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:01,180 what what one of the the the findings 766 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:03,910 that we've that we have from our free 767 00:34:09,919 --> 00:34:07,330 research study is that the UFO related 768 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:09,929 contact phenomenon is primarily a 769 00:34:15,629 --> 00:34:12,370 quote-unquote paranormal contact 770 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:15,639 phenomenon okay and let me describe what 771 00:34:20,610 --> 00:34:17,530 what I meant by that okay 772 00:34:23,639 --> 00:34:20,620 we've had over 80 percent of the 773 00:34:26,610 --> 00:34:23,649 individuals that have had that have had 774 00:34:28,649 --> 00:34:26,620 out-of-body experiences okay if you have 775 00:34:30,450 --> 00:34:28,659 seen UFOs and you have had contact with 776 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:30,460 non-human intelligence 80 percent of 777 00:34:36,060 --> 00:34:31,810 these people have had out-of-body 778 00:34:38,520 --> 00:34:36,070 experiences absolutely 30 percent have 779 00:34:39,899 --> 00:34:38,530 had a near-death experience okay now 780 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:39,909 again that's not something that's 781 00:34:44,610 --> 00:34:43,090 associated with ufology okay 30 percent 782 00:34:46,980 --> 00:34:44,620 almost one-third of these people have 783 00:34:48,690 --> 00:34:46,990 had near-death experience here's another 784 00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:48,700 phenomena that's been associated with 785 00:34:55,230 --> 00:34:51,730 that's not associated with ufology okay 786 00:34:58,770 --> 00:34:55,240 and in contact is medical healings by 787 00:35:00,420 --> 00:34:58,780 non-human intelligence 39 percent almost 788 00:35:02,850 --> 00:35:00,430 four out of ten individuals that have 789 00:35:04,470 --> 00:35:02,860 had seen UFOs and I've had contact have 790 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:04,480 had a medical healing by non-human 791 00:35:08,100 --> 00:35:06,970 intelligences now that is absolutely 792 00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:08,110 shocking okay 793 00:35:13,590 --> 00:35:12,730 absolutely Sharkey 676 people okay in 794 00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:13,600 Phase two 795 00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:15,930 well yes this question phase two 796 00:35:21,060 --> 00:35:19,240 telepathic messages seventy percent a 797 00:35:23,460 --> 00:35:21,070 thousand two hundred twenty three people 798 00:35:27,390 --> 00:35:23,470 have had telepathic message from 799 00:35:30,120 --> 00:35:27,400 non-human intelligence okay contact 800 00:35:32,940 --> 00:35:30,130 experiences in an out-of-body State okay 801 00:35:34,710 --> 00:35:32,950 like I had okay forty percent of these 802 00:35:37,170 --> 00:35:34,720 individuals have had conscious contact 803 00:35:40,460 --> 00:35:37,180 experiences outside of their body that's 804 00:35:42,589 --> 00:35:40,470 that's what I had absolutely 805 00:35:44,930 --> 00:35:42,599 could you just describe four because I 806 00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:44,940 have I don't get it I mean I don't have 807 00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:49,920 had I have not had a conscious anyway 808 00:35:53,240 --> 00:35:51,930 but so what happens I mean you're 809 00:35:57,620 --> 00:35:53,250 sitting there and then suddenly somebody 810 00:35:59,240 --> 00:35:57,630 starts talking in your head or in terms 811 00:36:01,579 --> 00:35:59,250 of the last aspect of it interest 812 00:36:04,490 --> 00:36:01,589 without a body contact Express okay the 813 00:36:08,690 --> 00:36:04,500 vast majority of that people can relate 814 00:36:13,279 --> 00:36:08,700 to is an OBE contact experience a lot of 815 00:36:16,789 --> 00:36:13,289 the major writers of OBEs we're talking 816 00:36:22,750 --> 00:36:16,799 about a good as mine 817 00:36:29,420 --> 00:36:27,289 institution robert bull Bulman Pullman 818 00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:29,430 Bowman Ryan Bowman 819 00:36:35,750 --> 00:36:33,210 yes all right we have the International 820 00:36:37,849 --> 00:36:35,760 Academy for consciousness they that's an 821 00:36:39,710 --> 00:36:37,859 association for out-of-body experiences 822 00:36:41,809 --> 00:36:39,720 that are focus on consciousness there's 823 00:36:44,180 --> 00:36:41,819 about four or five major players in that 824 00:36:46,700 --> 00:36:44,190 organization that written books on outer 825 00:36:48,470 --> 00:36:46,710 body contact experiences okay 826 00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:48,480 also these are the body contact 827 00:36:53,269 --> 00:36:50,609 experiences one can also look at 828 00:36:55,549 --> 00:36:53,279 shamanic journeys where where people 829 00:36:56,809 --> 00:36:55,559 take ayahuasca or peyote they're out of 830 00:36:58,430 --> 00:36:56,819 their body you know there are somewhere 831 00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,440 else they're having contact with 832 00:37:03,799 --> 00:37:00,960 non-human intelligence also mystical 833 00:37:06,849 --> 00:37:03,809 meditation people that are in an ashram 834 00:37:08,720 --> 00:37:06,859 or Transcendental Meditation sure yeah 835 00:37:10,519 --> 00:37:08,730 meditation correct that they're there 836 00:37:12,920 --> 00:37:10,529 you know we're doing like a whole week's 837 00:37:14,839 --> 00:37:12,930 worth of pure you know meditation and 838 00:37:16,220 --> 00:37:14,849 all of a sudden on the third day poof 839 00:37:18,140 --> 00:37:16,230 they're not in their body anymore you 840 00:37:19,279 --> 00:37:18,150 know they're out in la-la land and all 841 00:37:22,220 --> 00:37:19,289 of a sudden they're they're conversing 842 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:22,230 with non-human intelligent be there will 843 00:37:26,329 --> 00:37:24,450 be examples well of contacting not a 844 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:26,339 body state yeah but actually no I mean 845 00:37:30,829 --> 00:37:27,930 actually what was the conversation be 846 00:37:33,109 --> 00:37:30,839 itself like what would what do you say 847 00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:33,119 well we actually have a nice day or what 848 00:37:40,220 --> 00:37:37,440 numerous of categories no this whole 849 00:37:43,519 --> 00:37:40,230 aspect of the paranormal okay okay 850 00:37:46,059 --> 00:37:43,529 that'd be fine I'll get into exactly the 851 00:37:48,019 --> 00:37:46,069 types of communications Oh 852 00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:48,029 fifty seven percent or nine hundred 853 00:37:52,730 --> 00:37:51,690 ninety eight people I've had believe 854 00:37:54,650 --> 00:37:52,740 that non-human 855 00:37:57,890 --> 00:37:54,660 is associated with the afterlife in the 856 00:37:59,000 --> 00:37:57,900 spirit world 50% believe that non-human 857 00:38:01,160 --> 00:37:59,010 intelligence is connected to 858 00:38:02,750 --> 00:38:01,170 reincarnation and then we have the 859 00:38:05,300 --> 00:38:02,760 information that the actual entities 860 00:38:09,500 --> 00:38:05,310 told them about in these type of 861 00:38:13,970 --> 00:38:09,510 telepathic communications let me get it 862 00:38:15,380 --> 00:38:13,980 right here okay all right a thousand six 863 00:38:18,020 --> 00:38:15,390 hundred thirty-seven dividuals have 864 00:38:20,300 --> 00:38:18,030 received telepathic communications from 865 00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:20,310 non-human intelligence sixty-two percent 866 00:38:24,370 --> 00:38:22,050 of them have been downloads of advanced 867 00:38:25,940 --> 00:38:24,380 science physics and technology 868 00:38:27,620 --> 00:38:25,950 fifty-three for them 869 00:38:29,690 --> 00:38:27,630 fifty-three percent of them have our 870 00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,700 telepathic messages that contain a 871 00:38:34,370 --> 00:38:31,680 vision or a video or a picture and that 872 00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:34,380 would be my category because I saw an 873 00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:37,920 image associated with that 75% of these 874 00:38:44,090 --> 00:38:39,690 communications were in the experiencers 875 00:38:45,770 --> 00:38:44,100 may a native language now sixty percent 876 00:38:48,050 --> 00:38:45,780 of these people have had telepathic 877 00:38:49,070 --> 00:38:48,060 messages on more than five occasions 878 00:38:52,490 --> 00:38:49,080 okay 879 00:38:54,700 --> 00:38:52,500 so six out of ten repeat repeat 880 00:38:57,500 --> 00:38:54,710 experiences now in terms of the nature 881 00:39:00,650 --> 00:38:57,510 68% obtain personally relevant 882 00:39:03,050 --> 00:39:00,660 information for that individual as I 883 00:39:04,640 --> 00:39:03,060 said before it was six 2% pertained to 884 00:39:07,490 --> 00:39:04,650 have advanced science physics and 885 00:39:10,220 --> 00:39:07,500 technology 51% of these communications 886 00:39:13,250 --> 00:39:10,230 pertain to spiritual or religious issues 887 00:39:17,300 --> 00:39:13,260 51% pertain to philosophical or 888 00:39:20,270 --> 00:39:17,310 metaphysical information $0.40 47% were 889 00:39:25,670 --> 00:39:20,280 other other type of categories 45% 890 00:39:29,240 --> 00:39:25,680 concerned the behavior of humanity 34% 891 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:29,250 were social political in nature and 26% 892 00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:31,530 dealt mainly with advanced physics and 893 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:34,320 then we get into other specifics of that 894 00:39:41,380 --> 00:39:36,570 type of information in terms of what the 895 00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:41,390 entities told you for example 896 00:39:47,750 --> 00:39:44,250 information about the ecological state 897 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:47,760 of planet Earth information about life 898 00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:52,250 after death the welfare of planet Earth 899 00:39:59,780 --> 00:39:54,710 understanding of what life is all about 900 00:40:01,520 --> 00:39:59,790 insight into terms of uh yeah it I could 901 00:40:04,430 --> 00:40:01,530 go on and on in terms of the specific 902 00:40:06,500 --> 00:40:04,440 type of categories I I guess I would 903 00:40:09,020 --> 00:40:06,510 interrupt here just for a minute 904 00:40:11,060 --> 00:40:09,030 as of Kate's question I'm just going to 905 00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:11,070 relate in in less than a minute that 906 00:40:16,010 --> 00:40:13,890 when these things I get all kinds of 907 00:40:17,900 --> 00:40:16,020 telepathic messages through dreams and 908 00:40:20,210 --> 00:40:17,910 voices in my ear and other things of 909 00:40:23,180 --> 00:40:20,220 that nature but when I felt that I was 910 00:40:25,370 --> 00:40:23,190 taken out of my body what occurred and 911 00:40:28,070 --> 00:40:25,380 which is why I asked you about the 912 00:40:30,770 --> 00:40:28,080 vibrational state generally speaking I 913 00:40:33,890 --> 00:40:30,780 might be in a relaxed place like in my 914 00:40:37,310 --> 00:40:33,900 bed or relaxing on a couch and suddenly 915 00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:37,320 I my body enters the vibrational state I 916 00:40:41,810 --> 00:40:39,780 feel like my whole head is vibrating 917 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:41,820 sometimes rather violently sometimes 918 00:40:48,020 --> 00:40:45,290 less so and then I feel as though my 919 00:40:50,900 --> 00:40:48,030 consciousness is drawn out of my body 920 00:40:53,390 --> 00:40:50,910 though I don't have this mostly the the 921 00:40:55,310 --> 00:40:53,400 particular feeling of looking back at my 922 00:41:00,050 --> 00:40:55,320 body more that I'm in a brought to 923 00:41:04,700 --> 00:41:00,060 another place so I I think Kate was 924 00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:04,710 asking what is the general is there a is 925 00:41:09,740 --> 00:41:07,650 there a general pattern is no it's just 926 00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:09,750 very mundane question I mean do they say 927 00:41:12,770 --> 00:41:11,370 look you know you really should know 928 00:41:15,230 --> 00:41:12,780 something about an advanced quantum 929 00:41:17,570 --> 00:41:15,240 mechanics so I just thought we you know 930 00:41:19,430 --> 00:41:17,580 review the planck constant with you at 931 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:19,440 this time do they say something like 932 00:41:24,140 --> 00:41:21,090 that or is it just the thought in your 933 00:41:26,420 --> 00:41:24,150 mind no in my case I was taken into the 934 00:41:29,270 --> 00:41:26,430 future some future experience that I 935 00:41:31,610 --> 00:41:29,280 ended up having later on I was also 936 00:41:35,540 --> 00:41:31,620 given certain information I mean did 937 00:41:37,550 --> 00:41:35,550 they use words I saw the being in in 938 00:41:40,010 --> 00:41:37,560 some of the cases I saw the being and 939 00:41:42,380 --> 00:41:40,020 the being which would have been 940 00:41:45,500 --> 00:41:42,390 described communicated well then he did 941 00:41:47,480 --> 00:41:45,510 he he communicated to me teleological in 942 00:41:49,460 --> 00:41:47,490 words in words that I understood but 943 00:41:54,530 --> 00:41:49,470 telepathically his mouth was not moving 944 00:41:55,940 --> 00:41:54,540 okay yeah we are doing a no that's all I 945 00:42:01,360 --> 00:41:55,950 mean I really am NOT being argumentative 946 00:42:07,910 --> 00:42:05,270 we are doing a secondary survey target 947 00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:07,920 at just almost more than a thousand 948 00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:10,410 individuals that have had downloads of 949 00:42:15,590 --> 00:42:12,630 advanced science physics and technology 950 00:42:17,900 --> 00:42:15,600 we're asking eight open-ended questions 951 00:42:19,950 --> 00:42:17,910 very detailed open and the questions 952 00:42:21,150 --> 00:42:19,960 targeted at those people 953 00:42:24,270 --> 00:42:21,160 all those questions that you're asking 954 00:42:25,980 --> 00:42:24,280 both of you we're asking those types of 955 00:42:28,589 --> 00:42:25,990 questions in terms of getting into the 956 00:42:30,030 --> 00:42:28,599 specifics terms of what information how 957 00:42:32,010 --> 00:42:30,040 they they did it 958 00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:32,020 numerous other type of questions so 959 00:42:37,620 --> 00:42:34,560 we're gonna be administering that 960 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:37,630 starting next week to these thousand 961 00:42:42,390 --> 00:42:40,210 individuals and then we have a small 962 00:42:45,690 --> 00:42:42,400 team that's been assembled to actually 963 00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:45,700 review the the responses to these eight 964 00:42:49,530 --> 00:42:47,200 open and the questions from these 965 00:42:51,630 --> 00:42:49,540 thousand individuals so a lot of the 966 00:42:54,180 --> 00:42:51,640 questions that you're asking we should 967 00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:54,190 be able to address them maybe six to 968 00:42:58,560 --> 00:42:56,170 nine months from now do you do any blood 969 00:43:01,770 --> 00:42:58,570 work on these people such as DNA testing 970 00:43:03,570 --> 00:43:01,780 or uh you know maybe just CBC chem see 971 00:43:07,620 --> 00:43:03,580 if there's any variation between them 972 00:43:09,329 --> 00:43:07,630 and did these individuals come from a 973 00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:09,339 hundred and ten different countries well 974 00:43:13,560 --> 00:43:11,410 they're spread all over the world we 975 00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:13,570 have almost every state in the United 976 00:43:18,240 --> 00:43:16,210 States has responded to the survey in 977 00:43:20,640 --> 00:43:18,250 the English language so you know these 978 00:43:22,770 --> 00:43:20,650 types of tests are prohibitive we did 979 00:43:24,829 --> 00:43:22,780 ask a question about blood type because 980 00:43:28,020 --> 00:43:24,839 this is rumor circulating around that 981 00:43:31,920 --> 00:43:28,030 all the only people have had contact are 982 00:43:34,020 --> 00:43:31,930 Rh negative blood and and so we asked 983 00:43:36,390 --> 00:43:34,030 that question do you have Rh negative 984 00:43:38,730 --> 00:43:36,400 blood and what we determined was that 985 00:43:42,089 --> 00:43:38,740 only v fourteen and a half percent of 986 00:43:43,770 --> 00:43:42,099 the individuals have Rh negative blood 987 00:43:46,890 --> 00:43:43,780 and that's exactly the national 988 00:43:48,630 --> 00:43:46,900 population okay but yep I think it would 989 00:43:51,089 --> 00:43:48,640 be interesting to do that just see what 990 00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:51,099 the oxygen levels were you know maybe 991 00:43:55,620 --> 00:43:53,770 when they get down to a few candidates 992 00:43:57,450 --> 00:43:55,630 and they can afford to do it because if 993 00:43:59,490 --> 00:43:57,460 they have thousand people I think that 994 00:44:01,620 --> 00:43:59,500 as he said it's a little cost 995 00:44:03,240 --> 00:44:01,630 prohibitive even more interestingly if 996 00:44:04,770 --> 00:44:03,250 they do come from different countries 997 00:44:10,440 --> 00:44:04,780 with different diets it would certainly 998 00:44:18,570 --> 00:44:10,450 be that would be free is an organization 999 00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:18,580 that needs funding you know we have no 1000 00:44:23,490 --> 00:44:21,280 cash sources here for doing this you 1001 00:44:25,230 --> 00:44:23,500 know each of us is sacrificing putting 1002 00:44:28,020 --> 00:44:25,240 in hundreds if not thousands of dollars 1003 00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:28,030 as individuals towards this initiative 1004 00:44:32,700 --> 00:44:30,970 so again we have a donate button there 1005 00:44:44,099 --> 00:44:32,710 at experience org well 1006 00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:44,109 okay you got to do a GoFundMe then one 1007 00:44:49,140 --> 00:44:46,810 of the important finding is that what we 1008 00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:49,150 found was that overwhelmingly the 1009 00:44:54,150 --> 00:44:52,570 experience was a positive experience 85% 1010 00:44:56,430 --> 00:44:54,160 of these individuals stated that their 1011 00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:56,440 experiences with non-human intelligence 1012 00:45:01,710 --> 00:44:58,170 were positive okay 1013 00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:01,720 the other major finding was that 85% of 1014 00:45:07,470 --> 00:45:04,560 these individuals have undergone a major 1015 00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:07,480 psychological transformation for the 1016 00:45:14,490 --> 00:45:10,740 positive what we did is we redo placated 1017 00:45:17,730 --> 00:45:14,500 60 questions from dr. kenneth rings book 1018 00:45:20,430 --> 00:45:17,740 of the omega project and dr. kenneth 1019 00:45:22,620 --> 00:45:20,440 ring is probably the world's eminent 1020 00:45:26,010 --> 00:45:22,630 academic researcher on near-death 1021 00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:26,020 experiences he published a book in 1989 1022 00:45:31,800 --> 00:45:28,560 titled the omega project we he compared 1023 00:45:33,329 --> 00:45:31,810 100 individuals that had NDEs with a 1024 00:45:36,210 --> 00:45:33,339 hundred people that I had ufo-related 1025 00:45:38,609 --> 00:45:36,220 contact experiences asking them mainly 1026 00:45:42,270 --> 00:45:38,619 questions about how did you change from 1027 00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:42,280 this these experiences and so he came up 1028 00:45:46,589 --> 00:45:44,290 with the clusion that 85% of these 1029 00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:46,599 individuals underwent a traumatic 1030 00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:49,089 transformation for the positive so we 1031 00:45:53,660 --> 00:45:51,760 reduplicated his 60 questions and what 1032 00:45:58,079 --> 00:45:53,670 do we get exactly 1033 00:45:59,660 --> 00:45:58,089 85% of these individuals totally changed 1034 00:46:02,450 --> 00:45:59,670 towards the positive for example 1035 00:46:05,730 --> 00:46:02,460 individuals became more spiritual more 1036 00:46:09,560 --> 00:46:05,740 compassionate more loving more psychic 1037 00:46:11,490 --> 00:46:09,570 and intuitive understanding of themself 1038 00:46:14,760 --> 00:46:11,500 understanding the purpose in your life 1039 00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:14,770 more concern for the environment and on 1040 00:46:19,370 --> 00:46:16,450 the opposite end they in less 1041 00:46:22,650 --> 00:46:19,380 egotistical less concern for monetary 1042 00:46:25,530 --> 00:46:22,660 values etc etc etc again this is all 1043 00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:25,540 based upon 60 questions that we asked so 1044 00:46:31,829 --> 00:46:29,050 that's a major major of finding probably 1045 00:46:32,790 --> 00:46:31,839 our most important finding that what's 1046 00:46:38,099 --> 00:46:32,800 happening is people are being 1047 00:46:39,750 --> 00:46:38,109 transformed also we also ask questions 1048 00:46:42,180 --> 00:46:39,760 for the different types of beings that 1049 00:46:43,950 --> 00:46:42,190 are seen and and again this type of 1050 00:46:46,140 --> 00:46:43,960 information no one knows about because 1051 00:46:48,240 --> 00:46:46,150 no one's ever done this study before 1052 00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:48,250 just let you know the number one type of 1053 00:46:55,170 --> 00:46:52,089 being seen by individuals at 55% is the 1054 00:46:56,730 --> 00:46:55,180 energy being okay so where is that being 1055 00:46:59,130 --> 00:46:56,740 communicated on the internet nor any 1056 00:47:00,029 --> 00:46:59,140 type of you know presentations no we're 1057 00:47:02,519 --> 00:47:00,039 okay 1058 00:47:04,470 --> 00:47:02,529 the energy being received seen by fifty 1059 00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:04,480 five percent of the individuals again it 1060 00:47:09,089 --> 00:47:06,430 was the experience was seventy percent 1061 00:47:10,650 --> 00:47:09,099 was positive six point seven percent was 1062 00:47:12,870 --> 00:47:10,660 negative twenty three percent was 1063 00:47:16,109 --> 00:47:12,880 neutral the next type of being was the 1064 00:47:18,660 --> 00:47:16,119 human looking being okay fifty two 1065 00:47:20,099 --> 00:47:18,670 percent the next category was the small 1066 00:47:22,500 --> 00:47:20,109 greys at 47 1067 00:47:25,829 --> 00:47:22,510 the next category was the spirit or the 1068 00:47:28,289 --> 00:47:25,839 ghost beings that was at 47 percent the 1069 00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:28,299 next category was the tall grace at 34 1070 00:47:32,970 --> 00:47:30,490 percent the hybrid beings at twenty 1071 00:47:36,420 --> 00:47:32,980 sixth the reptilian twenty five percent 1072 00:47:39,150 --> 00:47:36,430 the Mantid beings or the insectoid type 1073 00:47:41,309 --> 00:47:39,160 of beings at 21 percent the small animal 1074 00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:41,319 type of being at fourteen percent and 1075 00:47:46,620 --> 00:47:43,930 the tall animal type of being at 13 1076 00:47:51,359 --> 00:47:46,630 percent now all of these categories even 1077 00:47:53,309 --> 00:47:51,369 the evil dreaded reptilians okay for 1078 00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:53,319 example that's the reptilians everyone 1079 00:47:57,809 --> 00:47:55,599 thinks on the internet that all of these 1080 00:47:59,549 --> 00:47:57,819 experiences are extremely negative well 1081 00:48:00,750 --> 00:47:59,559 we asked them the question was that the 1082 00:48:04,430 --> 00:48:00,760 experience is positive 1083 00:48:06,839 --> 00:48:04,440 was it the experience negative a 1084 00:48:09,120 --> 00:48:06,849 slightly negative slightly positive or 1085 00:48:10,950 --> 00:48:09,130 was it a neutral experience well twenty 1086 00:48:14,099 --> 00:48:10,960 only 23% said it was a negative 1087 00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:14,109 experience for the reptilian okay even 1088 00:48:18,779 --> 00:48:16,750 for the small greys negative experience 1089 00:48:21,529 --> 00:48:18,789 was eleven and a half percent how much 1090 00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:21,539 do you think this is a projection of 1091 00:48:31,140 --> 00:48:26,890 like the energy beings projecting 1092 00:48:34,019 --> 00:48:31,150 something that will relate to the human 1093 00:48:36,890 --> 00:48:34,029 individual involved in other words 1094 00:48:40,109 --> 00:48:36,900 whether I see a big animal or I see 1095 00:48:42,809 --> 00:48:40,119 Nordic - all Nordic being how much do 1096 00:48:44,490 --> 00:48:42,819 you think is a projection well we know 1097 00:48:48,089 --> 00:48:44,500 that a lot of what's taking place are 1098 00:48:50,490 --> 00:48:48,099 projections that these beings people 1099 00:48:52,769 --> 00:48:50,500 think of them as as physical beings you 1100 00:48:55,710 --> 00:48:52,779 know coming from you know Venus or Mars 1101 00:48:56,819 --> 00:48:55,720 or some other type of planet okay you 1102 00:48:59,490 --> 00:48:56,829 know the speculation that we have 1103 00:49:00,000 --> 00:48:59,500 internally within free is that these 1104 00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:00,010 might 1105 00:49:03,930 --> 00:49:02,530 be multi-dimensional beings because of 1106 00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:03,940 the characteristics that are being 1107 00:49:07,350 --> 00:49:05,890 relayed and we have a paper that 1108 00:49:09,870 --> 00:49:07,360 discusses that I would later I could 1109 00:49:12,690 --> 00:49:09,880 talk about that but basically we have 1110 00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:12,700 these beings that are seen as coming in 1111 00:49:18,210 --> 00:49:15,520 - through a wall or through a window as 1112 00:49:21,090 --> 00:49:18,220 an orb okay from the orb they 1113 00:49:23,730 --> 00:49:21,100 materialize into a beam then they shape 1114 00:49:25,650 --> 00:49:23,740 into an energy being for example then 1115 00:49:29,430 --> 00:49:25,660 they go back into an orb and then they 1116 00:49:32,970 --> 00:49:29,440 go out okay out of the house when people 1117 00:49:36,390 --> 00:49:32,980 are relocated to another place they 1118 00:49:39,300 --> 00:49:36,400 themselves transform okay into some type 1119 00:49:40,860 --> 00:49:39,310 of energy and they go through a wall or 1120 00:49:42,600 --> 00:49:40,870 go through a roof go through a window 1121 00:49:44,970 --> 00:49:42,610 and then all of a sudden appear at some 1122 00:49:48,930 --> 00:49:44,980 other location so we know that these 1123 00:49:51,420 --> 00:49:48,940 types of of of transformation of energy 1124 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:51,430 from one form to another is taking place 1125 00:49:56,580 --> 00:49:53,410 that many of these beings are actually 1126 00:49:58,980 --> 00:49:56,590 transformed throughout the sighting of 1127 00:50:01,530 --> 00:49:58,990 their experience so this is almost like 1128 00:50:03,330 --> 00:50:01,540 the early religious experiences that you 1129 00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:03,340 see - I mean it's really not a lot of 1130 00:50:07,140 --> 00:50:05,650 differential sightings for instance yes 1131 00:50:11,550 --> 00:50:07,150 you're describing a lot of biblical 1132 00:50:14,940 --> 00:50:11,560 occurrences weõll in the sky from seals 1133 00:50:21,720 --> 00:50:14,950 wheel is it yes yeah Christ Himself 1134 00:50:25,110 --> 00:50:21,730 transforming you know again we you know 1135 00:50:28,380 --> 00:50:25,120 how were individuals experiences their 1136 00:50:30,420 --> 00:50:28,390 experiences totally contradicts what's 1137 00:50:35,490 --> 00:50:30,430 circulating you know on the Internet 1138 00:50:38,940 --> 00:50:35,500 other questions that we had we went over 1139 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:38,950 the the the downloads the telepathic 1140 00:50:44,190 --> 00:50:42,130 aspects of it we asked questions up on 1141 00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,200 their paranormal experiences numerous 1142 00:50:48,060 --> 00:50:46,720 types of paranormal experiences we asked 1143 00:50:52,110 --> 00:50:48,070 questions about the medical healing and 1144 00:50:54,150 --> 00:50:52,120 I told you that 676 people had a medical 1145 00:50:57,920 --> 00:50:54,160 healing by non-human intelligence we 1146 00:51:00,600 --> 00:50:57,930 asked questions about what they believe 1147 00:51:02,190 --> 00:51:00,610 what they believe now in terms of 1148 00:51:04,230 --> 00:51:02,200 spirituality in the spirit world we 1149 00:51:08,730 --> 00:51:04,240 asked questions of what the entities 1150 00:51:10,980 --> 00:51:08,740 actually told them in details we also 1151 00:51:13,749 --> 00:51:10,990 found there were various physical 1152 00:51:16,779 --> 00:51:13,759 changes of individuals 1153 00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:16,789 for example 68% reported that they 1154 00:51:22,979 --> 00:51:20,049 became more sensitive to other realities 1155 00:51:26,789 --> 00:51:22,989 56% reported that became more psychic 1156 00:51:29,349 --> 00:51:26,799 50% began to feel energy in their hands 1157 00:51:32,799 --> 00:51:29,359 48% said that their ability to learn 1158 00:51:35,519 --> 00:51:32,809 increased 46% experienced a flood of 1159 00:51:38,439 --> 00:51:35,529 information that they could not process 1160 00:51:42,189 --> 00:51:38,449 60 won't be stated that became more 1161 00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:42,199 telepathic a very large percent were 1162 00:51:48,789 --> 00:51:44,169 able to see energy auras around 1163 00:51:50,979 --> 00:51:48,799 individuals in terms of changing their 1164 00:51:53,650 --> 00:51:50,989 their their their life we asked them 1165 00:51:56,319 --> 00:51:53,660 questions about that we ask questions 1166 00:51:58,929 --> 00:51:56,329 about experiences aboard a UFO craft let 1167 00:52:02,319 --> 00:51:58,939 me get into that fairly quickly here we 1168 00:52:04,029 --> 00:52:02,329 had sixty 667 people that I've stated 1169 00:52:06,609 --> 00:52:04,039 they have had conscious memories of 1170 00:52:08,709 --> 00:52:06,619 being aboard a craft phase one and Phase 1171 00:52:11,769 --> 00:52:08,719 two were only based upon conscious 1172 00:52:14,140 --> 00:52:11,779 explicit memory not based upon hypnotic 1173 00:52:17,620 --> 00:52:14,150 regression or lucid dreaming okay only 1174 00:52:20,829 --> 00:52:17,630 conscious explicit memories for phase 3 1175 00:52:23,409 --> 00:52:20,839 and phase four we did allow memories of 1176 00:52:25,779 --> 00:52:23,419 lucid dreams and hypnotic regressions 1177 00:52:29,169 --> 00:52:25,789 but for phase one and two only conscious 1178 00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:29,179 explicit memories so we had sixty 667 1179 00:52:34,059 --> 00:52:30,890 people that I've had conscious vivid 1180 00:52:35,890 --> 00:52:34,069 memories how do you board a craft how 1181 00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:35,900 did you find those people how did they 1182 00:52:43,419 --> 00:52:41,119 contact you we the members of free had 1183 00:52:46,949 --> 00:52:43,429 radio interviews they had over a hundred 1184 00:52:50,049 --> 00:52:46,959 radio interviews over an 18-month period 1185 00:52:52,419 --> 00:52:50,059 initial 18-month period we also had a 1186 00:52:54,579 --> 00:52:52,429 mailing list now we have over 5,000 1187 00:52:57,279 --> 00:52:54,589 individuals but at that time we first 1188 00:52:59,709 --> 00:52:57,289 started we had 2,500 names and those 1189 00:53:01,899 --> 00:52:59,719 names had almost everyone that has ever 1190 00:53:05,499 --> 00:53:01,909 written a book about UFOs 1191 00:53:07,839 --> 00:53:05,509 ETS you know consciousness studies we 1192 00:53:10,989 --> 00:53:07,849 had the entire MUFON mailing list of all 1193 00:53:13,569 --> 00:53:10,999 the directors the state directors we had 1194 00:53:16,899 --> 00:53:13,579 a you name it that person was on that 1195 00:53:20,649 --> 00:53:16,909 list we also published on a weekly basis 1196 00:53:24,249 --> 00:53:20,659 to over 500 Facebook groups in the 1197 00:53:26,860 --> 00:53:24,259 English language announcing our our 1198 00:53:28,870 --> 00:53:26,870 research study and it was sent to you 1199 00:53:35,010 --> 00:53:28,880 ecology groups the paranormal groups to 1200 00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:35,020 ce-5 groups to cryptic organizations 1201 00:53:43,060 --> 00:53:37,370 consciousness organizations out-of-body 1202 00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:43,070 organizations so you drew for a wide 1203 00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:46,970 population so how could our listeners 1204 00:53:51,340 --> 00:53:49,370 also contact you if they feel that they 1205 00:53:54,850 --> 00:53:51,350 have had an experience yes they could 1206 00:53:58,630 --> 00:53:54,860 still take our survey the they could 1207 00:54:03,520 --> 00:53:58,640 send us an email at info at experienced 1208 00:54:07,090 --> 00:54:03,530 org info at experienced org if you go to 1209 00:54:10,210 --> 00:54:07,100 our website which is experienced org we 1210 00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:10,220 have several menu sections - menu 1211 00:54:15,490 --> 00:54:13,040 sections have academic articles on the 1212 00:54:18,730 --> 00:54:15,500 contact modalities and on the physics 1213 00:54:22,330 --> 00:54:18,740 and science of consciousness we has also 1214 00:54:24,040 --> 00:54:22,340 have another menu titled research if you 1215 00:54:27,010 --> 00:54:24,050 scroll down there you'll see a sub menu 1216 00:54:28,390 --> 00:54:27,020 that will say take our survey ok so if 1217 00:54:31,750 --> 00:54:28,400 you click on that it will bring you 1218 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:31,760 directly to our phase one survey ray we 1219 00:54:37,420 --> 00:54:34,490 are probably going to have to close it 1220 00:54:41,260 --> 00:54:37,430 off fairly soon right now however you'll 1221 00:54:45,310 --> 00:54:41,270 be happy to know that on our page we 1222 00:54:48,070 --> 00:54:45,320 have we will have your address in terms 1223 00:54:50,860 --> 00:54:48,080 of the internet this experience org 1224 00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:50,870 address will be up there as well as the 1225 00:54:55,750 --> 00:54:53,090 email address with which to contact you 1226 00:54:58,780 --> 00:54:55,760 with so that will all be up there and I 1227 00:55:02,200 --> 00:54:58,790 certainly would hope that you would be 1228 00:55:04,660 --> 00:55:02,210 willing to come back and join us again I 1229 00:55:07,390 --> 00:55:04,670 hope you will come back on again very 1230 00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:07,400 shortly and update us on your on your 1231 00:55:11,380 --> 00:55:10,000 further findings is that a is that a 1232 00:55:14,410 --> 00:55:11,390 possibility 1233 00:55:17,050 --> 00:55:14,420 sure sure I mean we still have a whole 1234 00:55:19,780 --> 00:55:17,060 lot of findings to discuss yes I could 1235 00:55:22,450 --> 00:55:19,790 also have you interview one of our 1236 00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:22,460 academic professors dr. Bob Davis I 1237 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:24,770 think it's our professor of neuroscience 1238 00:55:28,750 --> 00:55:26,330 he could continue with with what we're 1239 00:55:30,940 --> 00:55:28,760 doing and he also could talk about this 1240 00:55:33,550 --> 00:55:30,950 research paper they have weaves that 1241 00:55:36,250 --> 00:55:33,560 I've co-wrote with dr. Davis dr. Clem oh 1242 00:55:39,190 --> 00:55:36,260 and dr. shield and it's an academic 1243 00:55:40,690 --> 00:55:39,200 research paper applying dr. Mitchell's 1244 00:55:42,339 --> 00:55:40,700 quantum hologram 1245 00:55:44,740 --> 00:55:42,349 theory of consciousness to our research 1246 00:55:47,290 --> 00:55:44,750 findings well it sounds wonderful I just 1247 00:55:48,730 --> 00:55:47,300 have one really goofy question I have to 1248 00:55:52,140 --> 00:55:48,740 ask hey go for it okay 1249 00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:52,150 you've had contact with these extra 1250 00:55:57,609 --> 00:55:55,730 human beings so do they have names I 1251 00:55:59,710 --> 00:55:57,619 mean do you have like a pet name are you 1252 00:56:01,930 --> 00:55:59,720 called Bob or Joe or Mary or something 1253 00:56:05,020 --> 00:56:01,940 like that I mean I know that sounds 1254 00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:05,030 stupid but it isn't because if you have 1255 00:56:09,550 --> 00:56:06,890 a name you also have an individual 1256 00:56:11,650 --> 00:56:09,560 personality and I was just wondering if 1257 00:56:14,140 --> 00:56:11,660 they had enough of a personality where 1258 00:56:16,990 --> 00:56:14,150 they actually did have a name many 1259 00:56:19,210 --> 00:56:17,000 individuals in our survey especially in 1260 00:56:22,390 --> 00:56:19,220 Phase three where they get out to write 1261 00:56:24,190 --> 00:56:22,400 the details 270 open-ended questions 1262 00:56:26,890 --> 00:56:24,200 many of these individuals have had 1263 00:56:28,300 --> 00:56:26,900 repeated contact experiences now with 1264 00:56:30,310 --> 00:56:28,310 one type of beam but with different 1265 00:56:33,940 --> 00:56:30,320 types of beings and some of them are 1266 00:56:36,819 --> 00:56:33,950 repeat contact dark beings and they do 1267 00:56:38,950 --> 00:56:36,829 have names even both the being has given 1268 00:56:41,170 --> 00:56:38,960 them the name and sometimes when a name 1269 00:56:45,460 --> 00:56:41,180 was not given to them the person the 1270 00:56:48,550 --> 00:56:45,470 human person picked out a name so I 1271 00:56:51,309 --> 00:56:48,560 think grant Cameron had up there in 1272 00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:51,319 Canada he would call the red being 1273 00:56:59,200 --> 00:56:56,770 really something yeah big red Charlie a 1274 00:57:01,930 --> 00:56:59,210 particular name that was sort of like 1275 00:57:04,240 --> 00:57:01,940 one of gates names there that he that 1276 00:57:05,740 --> 00:57:04,250 they would call the these Canadian young 1277 00:57:08,620 --> 00:57:05,750 people that would go out and look for 1278 00:57:12,609 --> 00:57:08,630 this red orb this giant red orb which 1279 00:57:15,130 --> 00:57:12,619 would appear in the this this guy's over 1280 00:57:16,809 --> 00:57:15,140 Canada there okay so thank you for 1281 00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:16,819 answering that I know it's sort of a 1282 00:57:21,130 --> 00:57:18,290 silly question but I was always curious 1283 00:57:23,170 --> 00:57:21,140 about that no no it's it goes both ways 1284 00:57:26,170 --> 00:57:23,180 sometimes the beings give them their 1285 00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:26,180 name and then sometimes the human gives 1286 00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:27,530 the being a name when the being doesn't 1287 00:57:33,819 --> 00:57:30,890 give them the name okay cool so we want 1288 00:57:37,780 --> 00:57:33,829 to thank you so very much and reiterate 1289 00:57:41,950 --> 00:57:37,790 our invitation to come back again we 1290 00:57:46,150 --> 00:57:41,960 will be posting on our blog both of our 1291 00:57:48,309 --> 00:57:46,160 blogs all the contact information and we 1292 00:57:50,740 --> 00:57:48,319 want to thank you again very much and 1293 00:57:52,990 --> 00:57:50,750 hope that you have a wonderful evening 1294 00:57:56,290 --> 00:57:53,000 and a wonderful year ahead 1295 00:57:59,170 --> 00:57:56,300 dr. ray Hernandez yes thank you again 1296 00:58:04,810 --> 00:57:59,180 right thank you very much okay take care 1297 00:58:07,510 --> 00:58:04,820 now bye bye bye bye and fresh I thought 1298 00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:07,520 you said you had another we do have okay 1299 00:58:14,140 --> 00:58:10,850 okay here we are today with our second 1300 00:58:18,090 --> 00:58:14,150 guest non shattered reality who was one 1301 00:58:21,820 --> 00:58:18,100 of our listeners Oh has had a very 1302 00:58:25,270 --> 00:58:21,830 paranormal experience and her name is 1303 00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:25,280 Jerry so welcome to shattered reality 1304 00:58:31,090 --> 00:58:27,610 Jerry wonderful to have you here with us 1305 00:58:36,220 --> 00:58:31,100 thanks can you hear me yeah loud and 1306 00:58:39,340 --> 00:58:36,230 clear you're just going tell the story 1307 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:39,350 real quick yeah take your time though we 1308 00:58:43,780 --> 00:58:41,690 the one here it is copyrighted though 1309 00:58:45,820 --> 00:58:43,790 it's in my book I'm writing a book about 1310 00:58:49,960 --> 00:58:45,830 all my paranormal and I've had a lot of 1311 00:58:54,130 --> 00:58:49,970 them so this situation happened in 2009 1312 00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:54,140 and I was audited by the IRS I have a 1313 00:59:01,030 --> 00:58:56,650 small business that's paranormal 1314 00:59:03,220 --> 00:59:01,040 I was nervous since the man at the IRS 1315 00:59:06,550 --> 00:59:03,230 called me and asked me to bring receipts 1316 00:59:09,220 --> 00:59:06,560 I needed help and I was kind of freaked 1317 00:59:12,490 --> 00:59:09,230 out by it and a neighbor of mine got me 1318 00:59:15,010 --> 00:59:12,500 a great accountant who was familiar with 1319 00:59:16,630 --> 00:59:15,020 audits with the IRS and she done a lot 1320 00:59:20,410 --> 00:59:16,640 of them and she was a wonderful 1321 00:59:22,540 --> 00:59:20,420 middle-aged woman about 59 and I was so 1322 00:59:25,390 --> 00:59:22,550 happy to have her and I went to see her 1323 00:59:27,460 --> 00:59:25,400 and at that time I'm a freelance 1324 00:59:30,130 --> 00:59:27,470 commercial artist and an actor at the 1325 00:59:33,070 --> 00:59:30,140 time I was doing acting during those 1326 00:59:35,050 --> 00:59:33,080 years um so she looked at my tax return 1327 00:59:37,300 --> 00:59:35,060 and she was very funny she her name was 1328 00:59:41,200 --> 00:59:37,310 Joyce and she said oh ho I wanted to be 1329 00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:41,210 an actress and my mother didn't let me 1330 00:59:45,250 --> 00:59:43,280 become an actress because it was such an 1331 00:59:47,830 --> 00:59:45,260 unstable profession so she kind of 1332 00:59:49,630 --> 00:59:47,840 pushed me into being an accountant but I 1333 00:59:50,560 --> 00:59:49,640 really don't like crunching numbers and 1334 00:59:53,740 --> 00:59:50,570 bla bla bla 1335 00:59:55,660 --> 00:59:53,750 well anyway fast for she did a great job 1336 00:59:57,760 --> 00:59:55,670 I was I was sitting there pacing up 1337 01:00:01,120 --> 00:59:57,770 receipts on Christmas Eve you know 1338 01:00:03,040 --> 01:00:01,130 watching The Honeymooners marathon I can 1339 01:00:05,410 --> 01:00:03,050 remember that like it was yesterday but 1340 01:00:06,670 --> 01:00:05,420 she was wonderful and all I had to pay 1341 01:00:10,000 --> 01:00:06,680 was $300 1342 01:00:13,110 --> 01:00:10,010 she schmoozed this mean guy at the IRS I 1343 01:00:16,030 --> 01:00:13,120 was so thrilled you know I bought her a 1344 01:00:19,060 --> 01:00:16,040 gift card from one of the department 1345 01:00:22,930 --> 01:00:19,070 stores and she wasn't very happy about 1346 01:00:27,310 --> 01:00:22,940 it and old son food had changed and she 1347 01:00:28,750 --> 01:00:27,320 was very kind of irritable and in a bad 1348 01:00:31,510 --> 01:00:28,760 mood you know and I couldn't understand 1349 01:00:33,190 --> 01:00:31,520 why but it was all over and since she 1350 01:00:36,340 --> 01:00:33,200 doesn't live too far from me I live in 1351 01:00:38,500 --> 01:00:36,350 Manhattan she lives on 36th Street in 1352 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:38,510 Lexington so I would see her going to 1353 01:00:43,270 --> 01:00:41,210 work that summer and I would say hi 1354 01:00:45,850 --> 01:00:43,280 Joyce and she was always carrying a 1355 01:00:48,070 --> 01:00:45,860 large iced coffee you know 1356 01:00:49,690 --> 01:00:48,080 from Dunkin Donuts or whatever and she 1357 01:00:54,160 --> 01:00:49,700 would say hi I'm running to work and uh 1358 01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:54,170 she's a tall thin woman anyway so that's 1359 01:00:59,830 --> 01:00:57,410 worried about 2011 it was a couple of 1360 01:01:01,750 --> 01:00:59,840 days before Labor Day weekend in 2011 1361 01:01:04,390 --> 01:01:01,760 we've got two years down the road I have 1362 01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:04,400 a very vivid dream of her and I'm in her 1363 01:01:08,260 --> 01:01:06,170 apartment I had never been in her 1364 01:01:10,420 --> 01:01:08,270 personal apartment and I had walked in 1365 01:01:12,130 --> 01:01:10,430 of course using the little girl's room 1366 01:01:15,790 --> 01:01:12,140 since I have a bladder the size of a 1367 01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:15,800 quarter and uh I come out and she looks 1368 01:01:21,070 --> 01:01:18,250 at me and says guess what I have a 1369 01:01:22,150 --> 01:01:21,080 roommate now and I'm an acting school 1370 01:01:25,630 --> 01:01:22,160 Wow 1371 01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:25,640 Oh acting school that's unusual at your 1372 01:01:30,280 --> 01:01:27,290 age you know now you just made a career 1373 01:01:32,860 --> 01:01:30,290 change and and then she looks at me very 1374 01:01:36,340 --> 01:01:32,870 deeply into my eyes and she takes you 1375 01:01:39,030 --> 01:01:36,350 know a black satin kind of housecoat 1376 01:01:42,580 --> 01:01:39,040 that they were you know in the in the 1377 01:01:44,790 --> 01:01:42,590 1930s time boom pen wash at Durham pen 1378 01:01:47,050 --> 01:01:44,800 wash yeah me right 1379 01:01:51,700 --> 01:01:47,060 you know those they would like the old 1380 01:01:53,260 --> 01:01:51,710 movies mm-hmm girls ah and I said wow 1381 01:01:55,660 --> 01:01:53,270 what does that mean 1382 01:01:58,240 --> 01:01:55,670 this black to me means death and I woke 1383 01:02:01,180 --> 01:01:58,250 up and I said she you know this really 1384 01:02:02,890 --> 01:02:01,190 bothers me and I went over it was Labor 1385 01:02:05,860 --> 01:02:02,900 Day weekend a couple of days later and I 1386 01:02:07,990 --> 01:02:05,870 walked over to her building mm-hmm and a 1387 01:02:10,570 --> 01:02:08,000 doorman building on Lexington and I I 1388 01:02:13,300 --> 01:02:10,580 said to the doorman I said do you know 1389 01:02:15,100 --> 01:02:13,310 if Joyce blahblah still lives here say 1390 01:02:16,720 --> 01:02:15,110 you're listening and he says oh no she 1391 01:02:19,940 --> 01:02:16,730 died last year 1392 01:02:24,680 --> 01:02:21,940 and it was kind of like dude 1393 01:02:28,970 --> 01:02:24,690 do-do-do-do-do was its own moment for me 1394 01:02:30,799 --> 01:02:28,980 and i said oh god she so I had asked my 1395 01:02:33,559 --> 01:02:30,809 boyfriend at the time did you know the 1396 01:02:35,450 --> 01:02:33,569 choice diet he goes oh yeah she told me 1397 01:02:38,180 --> 01:02:35,460 she was diagnosed with lung cancer and 1398 01:02:41,120 --> 01:02:38,190 he had never told me I never knew this 1399 01:02:44,660 --> 01:02:41,130 woman was sick she looked healthy to me 1400 01:02:47,420 --> 01:02:44,670 and I really believed it was her way of 1401 01:02:49,430 --> 01:02:47,430 coming to me in the dream and telling me 1402 01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:49,440 she was living her dream on the other 1403 01:02:57,650 --> 01:02:53,760 side and she you know so death is a 1404 01:03:01,400 --> 01:02:57,660 transition it's not the end and she got 1405 01:03:03,319 --> 01:03:01,410 to live her dream I believe and I think 1406 01:03:05,059 --> 01:03:03,329 she probably felt badly because she 1407 01:03:07,970 --> 01:03:05,069 treated me you know and a little bit off 1408 01:03:10,970 --> 01:03:07,980 Mattern and because she was obviously 1409 01:03:12,920 --> 01:03:10,980 very upset about the diagnosis yeah so 1410 01:03:15,500 --> 01:03:12,930 that one of my stories like I've had 1411 01:03:18,230 --> 01:03:15,510 many visitations from people who I knew 1412 01:03:20,270 --> 01:03:18,240 died and have visited me in dreams and 1413 01:03:22,730 --> 01:03:20,280 visited me kind of telepathically but 1414 01:03:24,380 --> 01:03:22,740 this was the first time someone actually 1415 01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:24,390 came to me in a dream telling me they 1416 01:03:27,950 --> 01:03:25,890 were on the other side and I didn't even 1417 01:03:31,640 --> 01:03:27,960 know they was sick or died so that's my 1418 01:03:34,010 --> 01:03:31,650 still Wow Jerry oh I'm so fascinated 1419 01:03:37,130 --> 01:03:34,020 that's great it's a very very 1420 01:03:39,410 --> 01:03:37,140 interesting experience and we are so 1421 01:03:42,559 --> 01:03:39,420 thankful that you were able to share it 1422 01:03:44,539 --> 01:03:42,569 with us and we certainly hope that you 1423 01:03:47,390 --> 01:03:44,549 will continue to listen to shattered 1424 01:03:49,039 --> 01:03:47,400 reality and that perhaps in a couple of 1425 01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:49,049 months or so maybe you'll want to share 1426 01:03:53,569 --> 01:03:51,599 another of your experiences or when her 1427 01:03:55,819 --> 01:03:53,579 book gets published yes when definitely 1428 01:03:58,339 --> 01:03:55,829 then she'll have to come on as a humane 1429 01:04:00,920 --> 01:03:58,349 guess absolutely and tell all the 1430 01:04:03,980 --> 01:04:00,930 experiences so thanks so much Jerry 1431 01:04:05,900 --> 01:04:03,990 thanks for being with us and we hope you 1432 01:04:10,099 --> 01:04:05,910 have a wonderful evening and a wonderful 1433 01:04:12,980 --> 01:04:10,109 2017 ahead oh thank you so much for sure 1434 01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:12,990 okay okay thank you for having me on my 1435 01:04:21,289 --> 01:04:13,530 pleasure 1436 01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:21,299 bye now okay so so that was fast and now 1437 01:04:26,059 --> 01:04:23,970 you you were telling me before we 1438 01:04:28,730 --> 01:04:26,069 started well this this evening that you 1439 01:04:32,980 --> 01:04:28,740 also had an experience recently yes it's 1440 01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:32,990 been a very unusual dream experience 1441 01:04:40,299 --> 01:04:36,890 last year at a certain point if you 1442 01:04:43,530 --> 01:04:40,309 recall there was a jet that was a 1443 01:04:48,790 --> 01:04:43,540 piloted by a German pilot and 1444 01:04:50,770 --> 01:04:48,800 importantly he says and in the French 1445 01:04:53,440 --> 01:04:50,780 Alps and there were all those horrible 1446 01:04:56,829 --> 01:04:53,450 pictures yeah on television we're not 1447 01:05:00,160 --> 01:04:56,839 looking over the the tragedy and you saw 1448 01:05:03,849 --> 01:05:00,170 everybody's passport laying around their 1449 01:05:06,099 --> 01:05:03,859 underwear and other things so the night 1450 01:05:08,770 --> 01:05:06,109 that that happened a client of mine and 1451 01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:08,780 I wrote about this on my blog a client 1452 01:05:14,890 --> 01:05:12,170 of mine had a dream about flying and 1453 01:05:17,109 --> 01:05:14,900 crashing and she wrote she got up in the 1454 01:05:21,069 --> 01:05:17,119 middle of the night and she wrote down a 1455 01:05:24,250 --> 01:05:21,079 poem hmm and she forgot she wrote it 1456 01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:24,260 until she saw on the TV that the plane 1457 01:05:27,849 --> 01:05:26,569 had crashed and she said hey wait a 1458 01:05:29,829 --> 01:05:27,859 minute now this is very loose 1459 01:05:30,970 --> 01:05:29,839 translation of what happened she said 1460 01:05:33,040 --> 01:05:30,980 hey wait a minute 1461 01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:33,050 I wrote a poem last night I forgot all 1462 01:05:36,760 --> 01:05:35,210 about it and let me look by my computer 1463 01:05:39,220 --> 01:05:36,770 and see where I wrote the poem so she 1464 01:05:41,049 --> 01:05:39,230 found the poem she contacted me I wrote 1465 01:05:43,630 --> 01:05:41,059 a blog post about it because it was very 1466 01:05:44,049 --> 01:05:43,640 it was very paranormal what had happened 1467 01:05:48,370 --> 01:05:44,059 to her 1468 01:05:51,309 --> 01:05:48,380 well back about 10 days ago or so maybe 1469 01:05:55,240 --> 01:05:51,319 two weeks ago at the max she had another 1470 01:05:58,359 --> 01:05:55,250 dream that dream had to do with a plane 1471 01:06:01,059 --> 01:05:58,369 crashing again and she told me about and 1472 01:06:03,280 --> 01:06:01,069 she said for sure what should I do and I 1473 01:06:06,190 --> 01:06:03,290 said well what you can do is you can 1474 01:06:09,970 --> 01:06:06,200 look in the news for the next three days 1475 01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:09,980 or so and see if if there's a an account 1476 01:06:14,620 --> 01:06:12,170 which matches it she said okay 1477 01:06:17,220 --> 01:06:14,630 the plane crashed on American soil and 1478 01:06:20,349 --> 01:06:17,230 it was a big deal in my dream it was a 1479 01:06:22,120 --> 01:06:20,359 large plane it was an American plane it 1480 01:06:25,089 --> 01:06:22,130 came down on American soil I said well 1481 01:06:26,650 --> 01:06:25,099 you know that that's that's scary but we 1482 01:06:29,440 --> 01:06:26,660 don't know if it's gonna happen or not 1483 01:06:31,930 --> 01:06:29,450 check it out for three days and see if 1484 01:06:35,559 --> 01:06:31,940 something comes up well as far as I know 1485 01:06:38,410 --> 01:06:35,569 it hadn't come up but meanwhile during 1486 01:06:42,880 --> 01:06:38,420 that time I woke up one morning myself 1487 01:06:45,800 --> 01:06:42,890 and I thought wow her dream came true I 1488 01:06:48,470 --> 01:06:45,810 saw it on I saw it on the news 1489 01:06:50,660 --> 01:06:48,480 and then as I was getting breakfast 1490 01:06:53,120 --> 01:06:50,670 ready I said no I didn't see it on the 1491 01:06:55,760 --> 01:06:53,130 news this must have been a dream that I 1492 01:06:58,460 --> 01:06:55,770 had but this dream was much more like a 1493 01:07:01,730 --> 01:06:58,470 memory and I wrote a little blog post 1494 01:07:03,440 --> 01:07:01,740 about that well that was enough of that 1495 01:07:05,360 --> 01:07:03,450 was enough of an experience in and of 1496 01:07:07,670 --> 01:07:05,370 itself to dream about someone else's 1497 01:07:09,830 --> 01:07:07,680 dream and although I know this woman I 1498 01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:09,840 wouldn't say she's my best friend or but 1499 01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:11,370 person who's closest to me in the world 1500 01:07:17,180 --> 01:07:13,530 far from it she's somebody I've only 1501 01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:17,190 laid eyes on about twice so about three 1502 01:07:25,130 --> 01:07:22,050 days ago I have a dream again I have a 1503 01:07:27,470 --> 01:07:25,140 very long dream but the important part 1504 01:07:30,350 --> 01:07:27,480 of which we discuss I'm not gonna go 1505 01:07:32,720 --> 01:07:30,360 through my entire dream but I was at a 1506 01:07:36,440 --> 01:07:32,730 place which seemed to be out of doors at 1507 01:07:38,450 --> 01:07:36,450 a resort and the people who were working 1508 01:07:41,090 --> 01:07:38,460 at the resort were preparing for 1509 01:07:42,610 --> 01:07:41,100 something and I asked the gentleman what 1510 01:07:46,220 --> 01:07:42,620 are you preparing for he said I'm 1511 01:07:48,290 --> 01:07:46,230 preparing for the parade okay then there 1512 01:07:51,950 --> 01:07:48,300 was some formal cocktail party with very 1513 01:07:54,620 --> 01:07:51,960 fancy people at it and then the weather 1514 01:07:56,990 --> 01:07:54,630 became colder and then I was sitting on 1515 01:07:59,300 --> 01:07:57,000 a bleachers a wooden bleachers this all 1516 01:08:01,430 --> 01:07:59,310 took place on a deck a wooden deck but I 1517 01:08:04,130 --> 01:08:01,440 was sitting on wooden bleachers with a 1518 01:08:06,740 --> 01:08:04,140 Down coat on with another friend trying 1519 01:08:10,030 --> 01:08:06,750 to keep my place for the purported 1520 01:08:12,860 --> 01:08:10,040 parade that was supposed to happen and 1521 01:08:15,380 --> 01:08:12,870 and then I never got to see the parade I 1522 01:08:17,420 --> 01:08:15,390 didn't think it never happened and my 1523 01:08:21,800 --> 01:08:17,430 friend and I we walked out and we walked 1524 01:08:23,870 --> 01:08:21,810 down a pedestrian mall and I woke up so 1525 01:08:25,670 --> 01:08:23,880 I keep a dream diary and I wrote the 1526 01:08:28,280 --> 01:08:25,680 details of my dream and my dream diary 1527 01:08:32,030 --> 01:08:28,290 on the correct day which as I said was 1528 01:08:34,789 --> 01:08:32,040 about three days ago and yesterday 1529 01:08:37,970 --> 01:08:34,799 morning I get an email from this same 1530 01:08:39,950 --> 01:08:37,980 woman from the past who had these this 1531 01:08:42,200 --> 01:08:39,960 dream about the the plane that went down 1532 01:08:45,020 --> 01:08:42,210 and then then another dream about a 1533 01:08:50,559 --> 01:08:45,030 plane and she said you'll never guess 1534 01:08:55,670 --> 01:08:50,569 what but I had a dream and Tom Brady and 1535 01:08:57,440 --> 01:08:55,680 his wife Gisele Bundchen she was in it 1536 01:08:59,599 --> 01:08:57,450 and they were had they were disagreeing 1537 01:09:01,640 --> 01:08:59,609 and I was waiting for a parade 1538 01:09:03,620 --> 01:09:01,650 it's go on they were there were people 1539 01:09:07,240 --> 01:09:03,630 they were at this location they were 1540 01:09:11,149 --> 01:09:07,250 preparing for a parade and Tom Brady and 1541 01:09:14,419 --> 01:09:11,159 Gizella bündchen were arguing before at 1542 01:09:15,919 --> 01:09:14,429 this event and the parade didn't happen 1543 01:09:18,829 --> 01:09:15,929 where they were preparing for the parade 1544 01:09:21,200 --> 01:09:18,839 but it didn't happen and I was 1545 01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:21,210 dumbfounded because just two days prior 1546 01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:24,810 I had a dream about a parade never 1547 01:09:31,340 --> 01:09:26,730 happening that we were all waiting for 1548 01:09:34,399 --> 01:09:31,350 now somebody else came along and said 1549 01:09:37,280 --> 01:09:34,409 well parades happen after the Superbowl 1550 01:09:38,570 --> 01:09:37,290 I was kind of son Brady is gonna be in 1551 01:09:41,570 --> 01:09:38,580 the Superbowl 1552 01:09:44,570 --> 01:09:41,580 well me personally I am NOT a lover of 1553 01:09:45,169 --> 01:09:44,580 football I pay absolutely no attention 1554 01:09:48,229 --> 01:09:45,179 to it 1555 01:09:49,970 --> 01:09:48,239 I barely know Tom Brady's name but go 1556 01:09:55,280 --> 01:09:49,980 ahead Kate well you can say bet on the 1557 01:09:58,310 --> 01:09:55,290 Falcons okay that may be that may be the 1558 01:10:01,070 --> 01:09:58,320 case but I wanted to sort of document it 1559 01:10:02,959 --> 01:10:01,080 no I mean it's because they wouldn't 1560 01:10:05,780 --> 01:10:02,969 have a parade if they lose that's true 1561 01:10:07,780 --> 01:10:05,790 but what's the chances of two people 1562 01:10:10,850 --> 01:10:07,790 within two days who guys are obviously 1563 01:10:13,100 --> 01:10:10,860 unconnected and some on some other level 1564 01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:13,110 because although I am acquainted with 1565 01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:16,290 the woman like I say you know it's not 1566 01:10:20,629 --> 01:10:18,090 like she comes over my house all the 1567 01:10:22,010 --> 01:10:20,639 time or you just client I speak to her 1568 01:10:23,500 --> 01:10:22,020 every once in a while on the phone right 1569 01:10:25,430 --> 01:10:23,510 like several times a year not every 1570 01:10:28,580 --> 01:10:25,440 anointing it's not a good friend 1571 01:10:31,700 --> 01:10:28,590 exactly I'm very appreciative of her I 1572 01:10:34,100 --> 01:10:31,710 think she's a lovely person but what's 1573 01:10:35,510 --> 01:10:34,110 the chances of because this is not 1574 01:10:37,550 --> 01:10:35,520 something that people dream of all the 1575 01:10:39,890 --> 01:10:37,560 time waiting for a parade that if the 1576 01:10:41,990 --> 01:10:39,900 waiting extensively in my case for a 1577 01:10:43,700 --> 01:10:42,000 parade that doesn't happen two days 1578 01:10:45,260 --> 01:10:43,710 later she sends me an email she's 1579 01:10:49,729 --> 01:10:45,270 waiting for a parade that doesn't happen 1580 01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:49,739 what's the chances hmm so that's okay 1581 01:10:53,750 --> 01:10:51,570 that's my story that's my little story 1582 01:10:56,390 --> 01:10:53,760 of dream telepathy or something like 1583 01:10:59,020 --> 01:10:56,400 that okay well I I have nothing to 1584 01:11:04,330 --> 01:11:01,430 well you've contributed a great deal 1585 01:11:08,870 --> 01:11:04,340 thank you thank you thank you thank you 1586 01:11:12,340 --> 01:11:08,880 do dreams do dream really okay and 1587 01:11:16,189 --> 01:11:15,169 but yeah Tom Brady would not be one of 1588 01:11:18,800 --> 01:11:16,199 my favorites 1589 01:11:21,080 --> 01:11:18,810 no I'm he's not event well footballs of 1590 01:11:22,130 --> 01:11:21,090 no interest to me you know I wish them 1591 01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:22,140 well whoever they are 1592 01:11:30,020 --> 01:11:26,850 god bless god bless whatever 1593 01:11:32,810 --> 01:11:30,030 exactly okay so in any case we're but 1594 01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:32,820 well if you'll notice so this society 1595 01:11:37,399 --> 01:11:35,130 for scientific exploration does go to 1596 01:11:39,770 --> 01:11:37,409 bowl games and they do notice that the 1597 01:11:42,260 --> 01:11:39,780 home team does have a definite advantage 1598 01:11:44,510 --> 01:11:42,270 aha because all the people there are 1599 01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:44,520 mostly from the hometown and they're all 1600 01:11:48,919 --> 01:11:47,040 wishing that their team wins that's 1601 01:11:50,899 --> 01:11:48,929 that's something that's been around for 1602 01:11:54,080 --> 01:11:50,909 a long time they're always sorry of the 1603 01:11:56,090 --> 01:11:54,090 home team advantage but is it sexual yes 1604 01:11:59,720 --> 01:11:56,100 and I mean that's one of the first of 1605 01:12:01,280 --> 01:11:59,730 the SSAS yeah absolutely so see there is 1606 01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:01,290 so maybe you and your friend are 1607 01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:03,210 actually rooting for Tom Brady and you 1608 01:12:14,540 --> 01:12:11,830 there's no parade so you don't know 1609 01:12:16,130 --> 01:12:14,550 anybody I didn't even know I didn't even 1610 01:12:17,780 --> 01:12:16,140 think that there was a parade around the 1611 01:12:20,450 --> 01:12:17,790 Super Bowl but another friend when I'm 1612 01:12:22,850 --> 01:12:20,460 in the kidding me they said to me well 1613 01:12:25,550 --> 01:12:22,860 the next the next parade that's coming 1614 01:12:27,890 --> 01:12:25,560 up in American culture is the Super Bowl 1615 01:12:29,990 --> 01:12:27,900 parade for the person who won the Super 1616 01:12:31,970 --> 01:12:30,000 Bowl they say well you don't remember 1617 01:12:34,130 --> 01:12:31,980 when the Giants won do you know I don't 1618 01:12:35,870 --> 01:12:34,140 know concept I I mean alright that's it 1619 01:12:37,520 --> 01:12:35,880 we're cutting it at this point 1620 01:12:44,899 --> 01:12:37,530 remember when the Giants won the Super 1621 01:12:47,899 --> 01:12:44,909 Bowl in any case I hope you've listened 1622 01:12:49,580 --> 01:12:47,909 to shouted reality and enjoyed it and 1623 01:12:51,979 --> 01:12:49,590 then I hope you come back again we're 1624 01:12:55,550 --> 01:12:51,989 gonna have some other fabulous guests 1625 01:12:58,610 --> 01:12:55,560 yep upcoming yeah and so let's yeah and 1626 01:13:00,320 --> 01:12:58,620 get in touch with free.if REE and tell 1627 01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:00,330 them about your experience is this is 1628 01:13:07,310 --> 01:13:03,810 this is statistically significant become 1629 01:13:14,620 --> 01:13:07,320 one a significant statistic so now we're